What I would do

[humbleseeker]

Its strange that some people do not want to have forced morality pushed on them or that people do not want health care at all. Actually most of the very poor do have free health care in many states. Geri, I am glad that your life has been saved by a country that has embraced this idea. I am blessed with good insurance, and a fairly good job during these troubling times. Many people are suffering and need help.

[ayin jade]

In the news tonight regarding the health care bill:

A family of four headed by a 45-year-old making $63,000 a year is in the middle of the middle class. But that family would pay $7,110 to buy its own health insurance under the plan from the committee chairman, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont.

The family would get a tax credit of $3,970 to help pay for a policy worth $11,080. But the balance due

[ayin jade]

People who want scriptural references about helping others. I will not give them helping others is basic Christianity.

I asked for scriptural reference to support a different statement you made. You claimed that

Until Christ returns its are responsibilty to make our world the best we can.

Since I am doing what the Lord says is good in the bible, to be berean and compare everything to scripture, you can show me where that statement is in the bible. If you can show me that, then I will learn and grow. If you cannot show me that, then you have the chance to learn and grow.

Until Christ returns its are responsibilty to make our world the best we can.

Scriptural backing?

I found this:

Matthew 28

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth.

19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.

In His great commission, where is the part where we have to make our world the best we can?

[~candice~]

In the news tonight regarding the health care bill:

A family of four headed by a 45-year-old making $63,000 a year is in the middle of the middle class. But that family would pay $7,110 to buy its own health insurance under the plan from the committee chairman, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont.

The family would get a tax credit of $3,970 to help pay for a policy worth $11,080. But the balance due

[Matthitjah]

In the news tonight regarding the health care bill:

A family of four headed by a 45-year-old making $63,000 a year is in the middle of the middle class. But that family would pay $7,110 to buy its own health insurance under the plan from the committee chairman, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont.

The family would get a tax credit of $3,970 to help pay for a policy worth $11,080. But the balance due

[ayin jade]

What Matthitjah said andy.

[Guest LadyC]

adding to the list of reasons some don't want insurance.... some people would rather have a private medical savings account. and for many people, that would actually be the wisest and most cost effective option! it would be for us, i'm telling ya! let me draw this out using myself as an example.

my husband and i pay roughly $100/week for insurance, which is matched by his employer. if we go to the doctor's office, we have to pay a co-pay. if we get a prescription, we have to pay a co-pay. now, neither mark nor myself go to the doctor very often. we average about one visit per year each. actually, we average about one visit a year between the two of us, but i was pretending for the sake of argument that i actually go in for my annual checkups.

so, you can say for those two doctor's visits, we're paying about 5,200 not including any medicine.

if we were to go to the doctor as an uninsured patient, (and uninsured patients get discounted services at most medical facilities), we would pay about $160 or less depending on which doctor we chose to go to, for those same two visits.

now sure, that sounds great, barring any major medical problem, right? but really... if we had been depositing that 5200 per year into a savings account from the day we got married, we'd have nearly 60,000 set aside to cover a crisis. and yes, i'm aware that 60 grand wouldn't cover every crisis, but again, the uninsured individual gets health care services for almost half of what an insured patient is charged, and even an insured patient is going to be stuck with the deductibles and non-covered expenses at the end of a day. so insured or not, in the event of a catastrophe, most people are going to either owe for the rest of their lives, or are going to file bankruptcy.

[~candice~]

Andy,

Your assuming wrong sister. Those who cannot afford treatment cannot be deined treatment. Matter of fact, right here in Maryland if someone walks into an ER with a something as slight as a hangnail they cannot be refused treatment by Law. This makes the ER more expensive for everyone else.

There are also millions of Americans without health care who do not want it. There are various reasons for this ranging from monetary to age, some young folks believe that they are invincible and don't want health care insurance. They would rather keep the money in their check to pursue other avenues of expenditure, and as Americans, that is their right.

The Political rhetoric on this nonsense is absolutely ridiculous. There are not millions of Americans perishing in the streets due to lack of Health Insurance. Even illegals get treated in Maryland and it is paid for by the taxpayer.

Peace,

Dave

Thanks Dave

There are many Aussies who also have no desire for health insurance because the basic level of care afforded by public hospitals meet their perceived needs. This works fine for emergency medicine, but the waiting list for surgery in our public hospitals often does reduce the standard of care. Many people who require surgery within 30 days are waiting between 3 and 6 months, for example. A publically funded visit to aa specialist like an ENT canmean a wait of 6 months (or a fe days if you are a private patient). However, the standard of treatment, once you get it, is equal in both the private and public settings .

I suspect that if I were American I would not be seeking the high level of care that is available through health insurance.

[Guest LadyC]

andy, what you described is one of the biggest arguments against nationalized health care in this country... and is why those in other countries who can afford to, come to america to get treated.

[~candice~]

Isn't this setting up a scenario where less and less people will get health care, and hence the cost for those who do get it will blow out astronomically?

(EDIT: please do not read any political rhetoric into my questions here, I am for the most part, largely uninformed about the American health care system.)