memorykeeper Posted October 30, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/23/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2009 what is this deliverance stuff about? what i want to know is if it is legitimate because didnt Jesus deliver us from not being saved already? so, what are we being delivered from unless it is non christians who are getting delivered. memorykeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted October 31, 2009 "Deliverance ministry" is what many Christian ministers prefer to call what others call "exorcism" or the casting out of demons. It also involves breaking curses. A lot of Christians think that demons just go away when you get saved and that all curses on you get broken when you are saved, but those involved in this will attest that this is simply not true. I don't feel like arguing this point all over again (we've had this discussion many times on the Board), but I am just presenting to you what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorykeeper Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/23/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 okay i dont want to argue either about it. i just wondered if it was something that is directly for christians or non christians. its just that i ve wondered since i read that mostly deliverance is for those who are christs because a non christian has no protection against the devil being unregenerated. memorykeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riel Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/06/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2009 okay i dont want to argue either about it. i just wondered if it was something that is directly for christians or non christians. its just that i ve wondered since i read that mostly deliverance is for those who are christs because a non christian has no protection against the devil being unregenerated. memorykeeper Hey mk, If you want to talk about this subject, pm me. I used to go to a church in the eighties that did deliverances on believers. Blessings, Darlene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Joyful Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,901 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 365 Days Won: 29 Joined: 08/16/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2009 "Deliverance ministry" is what many Christian ministers prefer to call what others call "exorcism" or the casting out of demons. It also involves breaking curses. A lot of Christians think that demons just go away when you get saved and that all curses on you get broken when you are saved, but those involved in this will attest that this is simply not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humbleseeker Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 519 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1980 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I do not know if exorcism is the appropriate word to be used with what most of us think, as in diliverence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2009 This is a difficult subject to try and explain. As far as the unregenerate goes their deliverance would be salvation the salvation of their souls their sins washed away while they were in the service. Christians can fall into sin even be overtaken by it in this case these believers need the prayers for deliverance and also prayers to be restored by the counsel of a trusted person not just anyone as some may spread what you thought was confidencial. (Galatians 6) I believe that a unregenerate person can be delivered before salvation as the man who dwelt at the tombs and the people bound him in chains but he would brake them. But Jesus came along and this man was naked and Jesus cast out alot of demons from him as Legion was the head demon over a troop for lack of an appropriate word. But after the man was delivered from the demons he accepted the Lord as Saviour. The disciples must have given of their clothes to this man because the ones who owned the pigs came down to Jesus to tell him to leave but when these men got to where Jesus was at they saw the man sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. There are different accounts of this same story written in--(Matthew 8:28-34)--(Mark 5:1) (Luke 8:26-39)--this account is the one I'm speaking from. There are so many things that the devil brings our way to ensnare us by temptations and none of us is exempt from falling into sin as we are not always strong but in our times of weakness we never know what we are able to withstand. Some people are in bondage to alchol to the point of being a drunkard in which they need prayer to be delivered in the name of Jesus. It is the same with drug attics who are in bondage who need the prayers for deliverance in Jesus name. Just so many who need deliverance broken homes, battered women whose husband is bound by rage, those who are sick, those who are bound up in pornograpy and so so many other things. I believe in deliverance ministry but I know there are those who are not true in this type of ministry. But we must be on guard as Jesus taught us in His Word. blessings oc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorykeeper Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/23/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 i think i definitely believe in this as looking through the new testament there seems to be countless examples of demons being thrown out or cast out. i dont know why people would be against this as it is plainly seen over and over again with Jesus doing the casting out of evil that is not supposed to be in man and that causes all kinds of suffering. I m not sure this is a doctrinal question or not, but I am sure it is apart of doctrine but I assume it is because at the end of the gospel of Matthew Jesus says the signs that occupy belief or believers. I think this deliverance ministry must be people who are casting out demons out of people but since Jesus said the signs would follow them that believe, then, isnt it for all believers or are there degrees of this? You mentioned the man , Openly Curious, in the gospel of Mar, who was delivered, was that an extreme case? memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I do not know if exorcism is the appropriate word to be used with what most of us think, as in diliverence. I was trying to keep it simple. If you have further insight to share, please feel free to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfearer Posted October 31, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 177 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/13/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2009 deliverance is for addiction. at least thats what an angel told me before he poured something on me and flew off and then God kinda floated down and rebuked me. am i crazy??? i dont care what you think thats what he siad. oh also when he spoke the word addiciton the walls of my understanding where knocked down and i understood addiction is doing somingthing thats going to kill you but you keep doing it. like ciggerettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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