Bold Believer Posted December 17, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted December 17, 2009 With all the pre-millennialists' talk about a one-world government supposedly coming in the future, I felt it apropos to discuss the here and now of the one world government which Satan and his followers are trying to foist upon us. Before I say anymore in that vein, let me say this: THEY WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL. Christ will destroy them with the brightness of His Coming and they will be summarily relegated to the Lake of Fire. I. The Reign of Christian influence All Biblical Christians believe in a reign of Christian influence commonly known as "the Millennium." Even the so-called amillennialist actually believes in the reign of Christ, he just calls it the Church Age. The pre-millennialist believes it to be exactly 1000 years. Some post-millennialists believe it to be a time when the whole world will be converted. I believe that the millennium was the time when the Church went out and brought the Gospel to the world and converted many people to Christ and established Christian influence. We were reigning with Christ and in Christ. He is in heaven and will remain there until the Parousia, but He is the King and He reigns from heaven and used US (the Church) to extend that reign to earth. I believe that when HE said that all power and in heaven and earth was given to Him, He meant it. The millennium is not a future event, but now a PAST one. The Millennium was a reign of ideology and influence, Christian thought ruled the world. Christianity brought about changes in the old way of thinking. The gods of the nations were overthrown and replaced with Christian thought, Christian teaching, Christian influence, Christian ideology and Christian pre-eminence. II. The Binding of Satan Contrary to popular belief, the binding of Satan was not all-encompassing. It did not preclude him from working in individuals, but it precluded him from keeping the Gospel of Christ from going into the world (i.e.: 'that he should deceive the nations no longer until the thousand years are completed') The Gospel would not be stopped. People would hear. Their pagan gods would be shown to be inferior to Christ. The knowledge of the LORD would cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. The elect would be gathered by the messengers from the four corners of the earth. This does not mean that every single individual in the world would be saved, only that the world would be told of Christ, His love, His death and resurrection. The elect would respond, the reprobate would reject, but their ability to HEAR the Gospel would not be stopped. III. The End of the Thousand Years Revelation 20 states that the time of Christian control will have an end. Daniel on the other hand states "and of His Kingdom, there shall be no end." Is the Millennium then, the Kingdom of God? NO. The Kingdom of God is within us; the Kingdom of God is righteous, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit; the Kingdom of God is the catalyst by which the Millennium was able to take place. The Kingdom of God never ends; the time of Christian influence will,end and I contend HAS ended or is in its waning days. IV. The rise of Gog and Magog At the end of the Millennium, Satan would be released from his prison and allowed to deceive the nations once again. When would this momentous event occur? What is the proof that Christian influence is over and that Satan is free to exert control in the world of all men once again? Paul clearly tells us. When the Apostasy comes. Once the Christian church is riddled with apostasy, top to bottom, side to side, through and through, that would be the first sign. It would be then that the man of sin would be revealed who exalts himself to godlike status and opposes every god or so-called object of worship, so that he, standing in the temple, shows himself to be 'god.' The word for temple is naos, the holy of holies. This man of sin declares that He is god. Some equate this man of sin with 'the antichrist'. Unfortunately for them, Scripture militates against this understanding since the term antichrist is only mentioned four times in all Scripture, all in the writings of John, but never in any other apostle's writings. But then, if the man of sin is not this 'antichrist' figure, who could it be? A look at Revelation 20 tells us. It's Magog. The man of sin is not one person, but an entire lineage of people. The man of sin and Magog I believe are the same. When Paul says in I Timothy 6:11, '...But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness...' is he implying that Timothy is the ONLY man of God? Of course not. Nor is he implying in 2 Thess 2 that there is only one man of sin, as later on in the passage, he speaks of 'they'. V. Magog and the Humanist Manifestos In 1933, the first of these two piles of manure made its advent. I will not dwell on HM1; compared to HM2, it is peanuts, the tip of the iceberg, the head breaching the birth canal. In 1973, Humanist Manifesto 2 was brought forth. Just the very last portion of the Preface will tell you what its all about. "As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God, assumed to live and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and to be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith. Salvationism, based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful, diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter. Reasonable minds look to other means for survival. Those who sign Humanist Manifesto II disclaim that they are setting forth a binding credo; their individual views would be stated in widely varying ways. This statement is, however, reaching for vision in a time that needs direction. It is social analysis in an effort at consensus. New statements should be developed to supersede this, but for today it is our conviction that humanism offers an alternative that can serve present-day needs and guide humankind toward the future." 1. Your faith is outmoded and unproven 2. Your faith is harmful 3. Your hope of heaven and anything beyond it is false 4. Your faith is unreasonable 5. Man knows better than any 'god' Think THAT'S bad? Let me continue, or rather THEM continue. "The next century can be and should be the humanistic century. Dramatic scientific, technological, and ever-accelerating social and political changes crowd our awareness. We have virtually conquered the planet(yeah right), explored the moon, overcome the natural limits of travel and communication (does that imply that you can do it supernaturally?); we stand at the dawn of a new age, ready to move farther into space and perhaps inhabit other planets. Using technology wisely, we can control our environment, conquer poverty, markedly reduce disease, extend our life-span, significantly modify our behavior, alter the course of human evolution and cultural development, unlock vast new powers(oh REALLY), and provide humankind with unparalleled opportunity for achieving an abundant and meaningful life." If this doesn't sound like "you shall be as gods..." I don't know what does. Let's let them stick their foot further into their mouth, shall we? "Faced with apocalyptic prophesies and doomsday scenarios, many flee in despair from reason and embrace irrational cults and theologies of withdrawal and retreat." If you believe in the Bible or any other religion with apocalyptic prophesies, YOU ARE UNREASONABLE. YOU'RE NUTS. Notice that they do not single out Christianity here, but ANY religion with such prophesies. What is it that the man of sin does...exalts himself above ALL gods or so-called objects of worship. "Traditional moral codes and newer irrational cults both fail to meet the pressing needs of today and tomorrow. False "theologies of hope" and messianic ideologies, substituting new dogmas for old, cannot cope with existing world realities. They separate rather than unite peoples." More put-downs of religion. Any theology of hope is false. Any messianic ideologies cannot cope with realities. They serve only to divide humanity. "Many kinds of humanism exist in the contemporary world. The varieties and emphases of naturalistic humanism include "scientific," "ethical," "democratic," "religious," and "Marxist" humanism. Free thought, atheism, agnosticism, skepticism, deism, rationalism, ethical culture, and liberal religion all claim to be heir to the humanist tradition. Humanism traces its roots from ancient China, classical Greece and Rome, through the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, to the scientific revolution of the modern world. But views that merely reject theism are not equivalent to humanism. They lack commitment to the positive belief in the possibilities of human progress and to the values central to it. Many within religious groups, believing in the future of humanism, now claim humanist credentials. Humanism is an ethical process through which we all can move, above and beyond the divisive particulars, heroic personalities, dogmatic creeds, and ritual customs of past religions or their mere negation." It is not enough to reject the idea of a god to these people, you must exalt man TO GOD LIKE STATUS, which is precisely what Paul says would happen. In temporary conclusion, I will say that the very first thing these magogists do is to jump on the idea of god and proceed to beat it to death. The very first two tenets of the HM2 is on Religion, and I will reproduce it here since it's short. "Religion FIRST: In the best sense, religion may inspire dedication to the highest ethical ideals. The cultivation of moral devotion and creative imagination is an expression of genuine "spiritual" experience and aspiration. We believe, however, that traditional dogmatic or authoritarian religions that place revelation, God, ritual, or creed above human needs and experience do a disservice to the human species. Any account of nature should pass the tests of scientific evidence; in our judgment, the dogmas and myths of traditional religions do not do so. Even at this late date in human history, certain elementary facts based upon the critical use of scientific reason have to be restated. We find insufficient evidence for belief in the existence of a supernatural; it is either meaningless or irrelevant to the question of survival and fulfillment of the human race. As nontheists, we begin with humans not God, nature not deity. Nature may indeed be broader and deeper than we now know; any new discoveries, however, will but enlarge our knowledge of the natural. Some humanists believe we should reinterpret traditional religions and reinvest them with meanings appropriate to the current situation. Such redefinitions, however, often perpetuate old dependencies and escapisms; they easily become obscurantist, impeding the free use of the intellect. We need, instead, radically new human purposes and goals. We appreciate the need to preserve the best ethical teachings in the religious traditions of humankind, many of which we share in common. But we reject those features of traditional religious morality that deny humans a full appreciation of their own potentialities and responsibilities. Traditional religions often offer solace to humans, but, as often, they inhibit humans from helping themselves or experiencing their full potentialities. Such institutions, creeds, and rituals often impede the will to serve others. Too often traditional faiths encourage dependence rather than independence, obedience rather than affirmation, fear rather than courage. More recently they have generated concerned social action, with many signs of relevance appearing in the wake of the "God Is Dead" theologies. But we can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species. While there is much that we do not know, humans are responsible for what we are or will become. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves. SECOND: Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful. They distract humans from present concerns, from self-actualization, and from rectifying social injustices. Modern science discredits such historic concepts as the "ghost in the machine" and the "separable soul." Rather, science affirms that the human species is an emergence from natural evolutionary forces. As far as we know, the total personality is a function of the biological organism transacting in a social and cultural context. There is no credible evidence that life survives the death of the body. We continue to exist in our progeny and in the way that our lives have influenced others in our culture. Traditional religions are surely not the only obstacles to human progress. Other ideologies also impede human advance. Some forms of political doctrine, for instance, function religiously, reflecting the worst features of orthodoxy and authoritarianism, especially when they sacrifice individuals on the altar of Utopian promises. Purely economic and political viewpoints, whether capitalist or communist, often function as religious and ideological dogma. Although humans undoubtedly need economic and political goals, they also need creative values by which to live." 1. Your religion does mankind a disservice 2. There is no evidence for the supernatural 3. WE DON'T NEED A GOD; WE ARE GOD AND WE WILL SAVE OURSELVES! 4. Life after death is hooey, we continue on in our children and in our legacy. 5. Traditional religion is an obstacle to human progress. (Not the only one, but it IS an obstacle. What does one DO with an obstacle? REMOVE IT. Think these people are not dangerous? They want you dead jack, you are in their way.) There is more, but I can't keep going here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 17, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2009 How many times have we read these things in the posts of our atheist friends that come here (though most don't stay long.) It's amazing how they're all on the same wave length, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekh l'kha Posted December 17, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 830 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2009 ... We appreciate the need to preserve the best ethical teachings in the religious traditions of humankind, many of which we share in common. But we reject those features of traditional religious morality that deny humans a full appreciation of their own potentialities and responsibilities. Traditional religions often offer solace to humans, but, as often, they inhibit humans from helping themselves or experiencing their full potentialities. Such institutions, creeds, and rituals often impede the will to serve others. Too often traditional faiths encourage dependence rather than independence, obedience rather than affirmation, fear rather than courage. More recently they have generated concerned social action, with many signs of relevance appearing in the wake of the "God Is Dead" theologies. But we can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species. While there is much that we do not know, humans are responsible for what we are or will become. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves. SECOND: Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful. They distract humans from present concerns, from self-actualization, and from rectifying social injustices. Modern science discredits such historic concepts as the "ghost in the machine" and the "separable soul." Rather, science affirms that the human species is an emergence from natural evolutionary forces. As far as we know, the total personality is a function of the biological organism transacting in a social and cultural context. There is no credible evidence that life survives the death of the body. We continue to exist in our progeny and in the way that our lives have influenced others in our culture. Traditional religions are surely not the only obstacles to human progress. Other ideologies also impede human advance. Some forms of political doctrine, for instance, function religiously, reflecting the worst features of orthodoxy and authoritarianism, especially when they sacrifice individuals on the altar of Utopian promises. Purely economic and political viewpoints, whether capitalist or communist, often function as religious and ideological dogma. Although humans undoubtedly need economic and political goals, they also need creative values by which to live." 1. Your religion does mankind a disservice 2. There is no evidence for the supernatural 3. WE DON'T NEED A GOD; WE ARE GOD AND WE WILL SAVE OURSELVES! 4. Life after death is hooey, we continue on in our children and in our legacy. 5. Traditional religion is an obstacle to human progress. (Not the only one, but it IS an obstacle. What does one DO with an obstacle? REMOVE IT. Think these people are not dangerous? They want you dead jack, you are in their way.) There is more, but I can't keep going here. "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." (Rom 3:3-4) "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Pro 1:7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted December 18, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 With all the pre-millennialists' talk about a one-world government supposedly coming in the future, I felt it apropos to discuss the here and now of the one world government which Satan and his followers are trying to foist upon us. Before I say anymore in that vein, let me say this: THEY WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL. Christ will destroy them with the brightness of His Coming and they will be summarily relegated to the Lake of Fire. I. The Reign of Christian influence All Biblical Christians believe in a reign of Christian influence commonly known as "the Millennium." Even the so-called amillennialist actually believes in the reign of Christ, he just calls it the Church Age. The pre-millennialist believes it to be exactly 1000 years. Some post-millennialists believe it to be a time when the whole world will be converted. I believe that the millennium was the time when the Church went out and brought the Gospel to the world and converted many people to Christ and established Christian influence. We were reigning with Christ and in Christ. He is in heaven and will remain there until the Parousia, but He is the King and He reigns from heaven and used US (the Church) to extend that reign to earth. I believe that when HE said that all power and in heaven and earth was given to Him, He meant it. The millennium is not a future event, but now a PAST one. The Millennium was a reign of ideology and influence, Christian thought ruled the world. Christianity brought about changes in the old way of thinking. The gods of the nations were overthrown and replaced with Christian thought, Christian teaching, Christian influence, Christian ideology and Christian pre-eminence. II. The Binding of Satan Contrary to popular belief, the binding of Satan was not all-encompassing. It did not preclude him from working in individuals, but it precluded him from keeping the Gospel of Christ from going into the world (i.e.: 'that he should deceive the nations no longer until the thousand years are completed') The Gospel would not be stopped. People would hear. Their pagan gods would be shown to be inferior to Christ. The knowledge of the LORD would cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. The elect would be gathered by the messengers from the four corners of the earth. This does not mean that every single individual in the world would be saved, only that the world would be told of Christ, His love, His death and resurrection. The elect would respond, the reprobate would reject, but their ability to HEAR the Gospel would not be stopped. III. The End of the Thousand Years Revelation 20 states that the time of Christian control will have an end. Daniel on the other hand states "and of His Kingdom, there shall be no end." Is the Millennium then, the Kingdom of God? NO. The Kingdom of God is within us; the Kingdom of God is righteous, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit; the Kingdom of God is the catalyst by which the Millennium was able to take place. The Kingdom of God never ends; the time of Christian influence will,end and I contend HAS ended or is in its waning days. IV. The rise of Gog and Magog At the end of the Millennium, Satan would be released from his prison and allowed to deceive the nations once again. When would this momentous event occur? What is the proof that Christian influence is over and that Satan is free to exert control in the world of all men once again? Paul clearly tells us. When the Apostasy comes. Once the Christian church is riddled with apostasy, top to bottom, side to side, through and through, that would be the first sign. It would be then that the man of sin would be revealed who exalts himself to godlike status and opposes every god or so-called object of worship, so that he, standing in the temple, shows himself to be 'god.' The word for temple is naos, the holy of holies. This man of sin declares that He is god. Some equate this man of sin with 'the antichrist'. Unfortunately for them, Scripture militates against this understanding since the term antichrist is only mentioned four times in all Scripture, all in the writings of John, but never in any other apostle's writings. But then, if the man of sin is not this 'antichrist' figure, who could it be? A look at Revelation 20 tells us. It's Magog. The man of sin is not one person, but an entire lineage of people. The man of sin and Magog I believe are the same. When Paul says in I Timothy 6:11, '...But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness...' is he implying that Timothy is the ONLY man of God? Of course not. Nor is he implying in 2 Thess 2 that there is only one man of sin, as later on in the passage, he speaks of 'they'. V. Magog and the Humanist Manifestos In 1933, the first of these two piles of manure made its advent. I will not dwell on HM1; compared to HM2, it is peanuts, the tip of the iceberg, the head breaching the birth canal. In 1973, Humanist Manifesto 2 was brought forth. Just the very last portion of the Preface will tell you what its all about. "As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God, assumed to live and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and to be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith. Salvationism, based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful, diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter. Reasonable minds look to other means for survival. Those who sign Humanist Manifesto II disclaim that they are setting forth a binding credo; their individual views would be stated in widely varying ways. This statement is, however, reaching for vision in a time that needs direction. It is social analysis in an effort at consensus. New statements should be developed to supersede this, but for today it is our conviction that humanism offers an alternative that can serve present-day needs and guide humankind toward the future." 1. Your faith is outmoded and unproven 2. Your faith is harmful 3. Your hope of heaven and anything beyond it is false 4. Your faith is unreasonable 5. Man knows better than any 'god' Think THAT'S bad? Let me continue, or rather THEM continue. "The next century can be and should be the humanistic century. Dramatic scientific, technological, and ever-accelerating social and political changes crowd our awareness. We have virtually conquered the planet(yeah right), explored the moon, overcome the natural limits of travel and communication (does that imply that you can do it supernaturally?); we stand at the dawn of a new age, ready to move farther into space and perhaps inhabit other planets. Using technology wisely, we can control our environment, conquer poverty, markedly reduce disease, extend our life-span, significantly modify our behavior, alter the course of human evolution and cultural development, unlock vast new powers(oh REALLY), and provide humankind with unparalleled opportunity for achieving an abundant and meaningful life." If this doesn't sound like "you shall be as gods..." I don't know what does. Let's let them stick their foot further into their mouth, shall we? "Faced with apocalyptic prophesies and doomsday scenarios, many flee in despair from reason and embrace irrational cults and theologies of withdrawal and retreat." If you believe in the Bible or any other religion with apocalyptic prophesies, YOU ARE UNREASONABLE. YOU'RE NUTS. Notice that they do not single out Christianity here, but ANY religion with such prophesies. What is it that the man of sin does...exalts himself above ALL gods or so-called objects of worship. "Traditional moral codes and newer irrational cults both fail to meet the pressing needs of today and tomorrow. False "theologies of hope" and messianic ideologies, substituting new dogmas for old, cannot cope with existing world realities. They separate rather than unite peoples." More put-downs of religion. Any theology of hope is false. Any messianic ideologies cannot cope with realities. They serve only to divide humanity. "Many kinds of humanism exist in the contemporary world. The varieties and emphases of naturalistic humanism include "scientific," "ethical," "democratic," "religious," and "Marxist" humanism. Free thought, atheism, agnosticism, skepticism, deism, rationalism, ethical culture, and liberal religion all claim to be heir to the humanist tradition. Humanism traces its roots from ancient China, classical Greece and Rome, through the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, to the scientific revolution of the modern world. But views that merely reject theism are not equivalent to humanism. They lack commitment to the positive belief in the possibilities of human progress and to the values central to it. Many within religious groups, believing in the future of humanism, now claim humanist credentials. Humanism is an ethical process through which we all can move, above and beyond the divisive particulars, heroic personalities, dogmatic creeds, and ritual customs of past religions or their mere negation." It is not enough to reject the idea of a god to these people, you must exalt man TO GOD LIKE STATUS, which is precisely what Paul says would happen. In temporary conclusion, I will say that the very first thing these magogists do is to jump on the idea of god and proceed to beat it to death. The very first two tenets of the HM2 is on Religion, and I will reproduce it here since it's short. "Religion FIRST: In the best sense, religion may inspire dedication to the highest ethical ideals. The cultivation of moral devotion and creative imagination is an expression of genuine "spiritual" experience and aspiration. We believe, however, that traditional dogmatic or authoritarian religions that place revelation, God, ritual, or creed above human needs and experience do a disservice to the human species. Any account of nature should pass the tests of scientific evidence; in our judgment, the dogmas and myths of traditional religions do not do so. Even at this late date in human history, certain elementary facts based upon the critical use of scientific reason have to be restated. We find insufficient evidence for belief in the existence of a supernatural; it is either meaningless or irrelevant to the question of survival and fulfillment of the human race. As nontheists, we begin with humans not God, nature not deity. Nature may indeed be broader and deeper than we now know; any new discoveries, however, will but enlarge our knowledge of the natural. Some humanists believe we should reinterpret traditional religions and reinvest them with meanings appropriate to the current situation. Such redefinitions, however, often perpetuate old dependencies and escapisms; they easily become obscurantist, impeding the free use of the intellect. We need, instead, radically new human purposes and goals. We appreciate the need to preserve the best ethical teachings in the religious traditions of humankind, many of which we share in common. But we reject those features of traditional religious morality that deny humans a full appreciation of their own potentialities and responsibilities. Traditional religions often offer solace to humans, but, as often, they inhibit humans from helping themselves or experiencing their full potentialities. Such institutions, creeds, and rituals often impede the will to serve others. Too often traditional faiths encourage dependence rather than independence, obedience rather than affirmation, fear rather than courage. More recently they have generated concerned social action, with many signs of relevance appearing in the wake of the "God Is Dead" theologies. But we can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species. While there is much that we do not know, humans are responsible for what we are or will become. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves. SECOND: Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful. They distract humans from present concerns, from self-actualization, and from rectifying social injustices. Modern science discredits such historic concepts as the "ghost in the machine" and the "separable soul." Rather, science affirms that the human species is an emergence from natural evolutionary forces. As far as we know, the total personality is a function of the biological organism transacting in a social and cultural context. There is no credible evidence that life survives the death of the body. We continue to exist in our progeny and in the way that our lives have influenced others in our culture. Traditional religions are surely not the only obstacles to human progress. Other ideologies also impede human advance. Some forms of political doctrine, for instance, function religiously, reflecting the worst features of orthodoxy and authoritarianism, especially when they sacrifice individuals on the altar of Utopian promises. Purely economic and political viewpoints, whether capitalist or communist, often function as religious and ideological dogma. Although humans undoubtedly need economic and political goals, they also need creative values by which to live." 1. Your religion does mankind a disservice 2. There is no evidence for the supernatural 3. WE DON'T NEED A GOD; WE ARE GOD AND WE WILL SAVE OURSELVES! 4. Life after death is hooey, we continue on in our children and in our legacy. 5. Traditional religion is an obstacle to human progress. (Not the only one, but it IS an obstacle. What does one DO with an obstacle? REMOVE IT. Think these people are not dangerous? They want you dead jack, you are in their way.) There is more, but I can't keep going here. Right after their feelings about religion in general, they speak of ethics. "THIRD: We affirm that moral values derive their source from human experience. Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest. To deny this distorts the whole basis of life. Human life has meaning because we create and develop our futures. Happiness and the creative realization of human needs and desires, individually and in shared enjoyment, are continuous themes of humanism. We strive for the good life, here and now. The goal is to pursue life's enrichment despite debasing forces of vulgarization, commercialization, and dehumanization. They don't want or desire the God of the Universe, they are their own god and therefore they need no binding ethics, only situational. Their hearts and minds are in the here and now The exact opposite of what Jesus tells us to do. "FOURTH: Reason and intelligence are the most effective instruments that humankind possesses. There is no substitute: neither faith nor passion suffices in itself. The controlled use of scientific methods, which have transformed the natural and social sciences since the Renaissance, must be extended further in the solution of human problems. But reason must be tempered by humility, since no group has a monopoly of wisdom or virtue. Nor is there any guarantee that all problems can be solved or all questions answered. Yet critical intelligence, infused by a sense of human caring, is the best method that humanity has for resolving problems. Reason should be balanced with compassion and empathy and the whole person fulfilled. Thus, we are not advocating the use of scientific intelligence independent of or in opposition to emotion, for we believe in the cultivation of feeling and love. As science pushes back the boundary of the known, humankind's sense of wonder is continually renewed, and art, poetry, and music find their places, along with religion and ethics. Basically, the more we know, the more we can shove irrelevant religion out of the way. Science will tell us everything we need to know. The next part tells their take on the individual and sexuality. "FIFTH: The preciousness and dignity of the individual person is a central humanist value. Individuals should be encouraged to realize their own creative talents and desires. We reject all religious, ideological, or moral codes that denigrate the individual, suppress freedom, dull intellect, dehumanize personality. We believe in maximum individual autonomy consonant with social responsibility. Although science can account for the causes of behavior, the possibilities of individual freedom of choice exist in human life and should be increased. SIXTH: In the area of sexuality, we believe that intolerant attitudes, often cultivated by orthodox religions and puritanical cultures, unduly repress sexual conduct. The right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized. While we do not approve of exploitive, denigrating forms of sexual expression, neither do we wish to prohibit, by law or social sanction, sexual behavior between consenting adults.The many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be considered "evil." Without countenancing mindless permissiveness or unbridled promiscuity, a civilized society should be a tolerant one. Short of harming others or compelling them to do likewise, individuals should be permitted to express their sexual proclivities and pursue their lifestyles as they desire. We wish to cultivate the development of a responsible attitude toward sexuality, in which humans are not exploited as sexual objects, and in which intimacy, sensitivity, respect, and honesty in interpersonal relations are encouraged. Moral education for children and adults is an important way of developing awareness and sexual maturity." In other words, they lift an upraised middle finger to their Creator and embrace The Lie. They are gods and they will determine good and evil for themselves. Individual choices should be increased, they say. What if someone chooses to have sex with your 14-year old daughter? Hmm. Or your 8-year old son. Hmm. Well, the children will be morally educated, so once they become sexually aware and mature...(Am I the only who sees where THAT is headed?) In a way they sound like petulent children..."Don't tell ME what to do! I'll do what I want!" But then, whom else does this sound like? (For the answer, see Isaiah 14.) The next section is on what they call Democratic Society. Do remember that the definition of a democracy is MOB RULE. Also notice that there has been a fundamental shift here in America and around the world to the use of the term democratic society. America is no longer referred to as a Republic, except on the occasion that the term is needed to get a point across. "SEVENTH: To enhance freedom and dignity the individual must experience a full range of civil liberties in all societies. This includes freedom of speech and the press, political democracy, the legal right of opposition to governmental policies, fair judicial process, religious liberty, freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom. It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide. We oppose the increasing invasion of privacy, by whatever means, in both totalitarian and democratic societies. We would safeguard, extend, and implement the principles of human freedom evolved from the Magna Carta to the Bill of Rights, the Rights of Man, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights." This is where all of the right to die, euthanasia and right to suicide garbage comes from. STRAIGHT OUT OF TENET SEVEN. This Manifesto is IN USE RIGHT NOW BY GOVERNMENTS WORLDWIDE INCLUDING THE US GOVERNMENT. Those who sponsor this type of legislation are getting it from the HM2. Did the world ever hear any of this nonsense on a governmental level before Humanist Manifesto 2? No, 1973 is a landmark year. They would safeguard all of these supposed human freedoms? HORSE POO! They like the Bill of Rights all right, as long as the Second Amendment is removed from it. As for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights...more humanist bull dooky. Now in Tenet 8, their true colors start to show. "EIGHTH: We are committed to an open and democratic society. We must extend participatory democracy in its true sense to the economy, the school, the family, the workplace, and voluntary associations. Decision-making must be decentralized to include widespread involvement of people at all levels - social, political, and economic. All persons should have a voice in developing the values and goals that determine their lives. Institutions should be responsive to expressed desires and needs. The conditions of work, education, devotion, and play should be humanized. Alienating forces should be modified or eradicated and bureaucratic structures should be held to a minimum. People are more important than decalogues, rules, proscriptions, or regulations." Look very carefully at the last line of Tenet Eight, then remember what they said earlier concerning religion. Religion is an obstacle to human progress. In other words...AN ALIENATING FORCE TO BE MODIFIED OR ERADICATED. Their true colors are shining through, to quote the song. "NINTH: The separation of church and state and the separation of ideology and state are imperatives. The state should encourage maximum freedom for different moral, political, religious, and social values in society. It should not favor any particular religious bodies through the use of public monies, nor espouse a single ideology and function thereby as an instrument of propaganda or oppression, particularly against dissenters." Ever wonder why seperation of church and state has been getting shoved down the throats of Christs for the last 40 odd years? Wonder no more. The US government is riddled with humanists...and a humanist is a Magogist. Ever wonder how they plan to get rid of Islam? Look at the last line. Islamic states do exactly what the last line says, they espouse a single ideology (Islam) and function thereby as an instrument of oppression of their people, especially against dissenters. Can't have that in the Brave New World. "TENTH: Humane societies should evaluate economic systems not by rhetoric or ideology, but by whether or not they increase economic well-being for all individuals and groups, minimize poverty and hardship, increase the sum of human satisfaction, and enhance the quality of life. Hence the door is open to alternative economic systems. We need to democratize the economy and judge it by its responsiveness to human needs, testing results in terms of the common good. ELEVENTH: The principle of moral equality must be furthered through elimination of all discrimination based upon race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. This means equality of opportunity and recognition of talent and merit. Individuals should be encouraged to contribute to their own betterment. If unable, then society should provide means to satisfy their basic economic, health, and cultural needs, including, wherever resources make possible, a minimum guaranteed annual income. We are concerned for the welfare of the aged, the infirm, the disadvantaged, and also for the outcasts - the mentally retarded, abandoned, or abused children, the handicapped, prisoners, and addicts - for all who are neglected or ignored by society. Practicing humanists should make it their vocation to humanize personal relations. We believe in the right to universal education. Everyone has a right to the cultural opportunity to fulfill his or her unique capacities and talents. The schools should foster satisfying and productive living. They should be open at all levels to any and all; the achievement of excellence should be encouraged. Innovative and experimental forms of education are to be welcomed. The energy and idealism of the young deserve to be appreciated and channeled to constructive purposes. We deplore racial, religious, ethnic, or class antagonisms. Although we believe in cultural diversity and encourage racial and ethnic pride, we reject separations which promote alienation and set people and groups against each other; we envision an integrated community where people have a maximum opportunity for free and voluntary association. We are critical of sexism or sexual chauvinism - male or female. We believe in equal rights for both women and men to fulfill their unique careers and potentialities as they see fit, free of invidious discrimination." Magogism is communistic. They will take from X and give to Y. We see it here in the US. It may well be de rigeur in Europe as well. He he he...alternative economic systems. Yeah right. Tenet Eleven is where a lot of the crap we call political correctness sprouts from. Thou shalt not discriminate...regardless of how reprehensible and morally bankrupt someone is. If necessary, take everything the discriminator owns in a lawsuit to force them to comply with Magog's wishes. Also from Tenet Eleven comes the horse droppings that pass for education these days. Now to their plan for one world government, some of which is currently being implemented, but will ultimately fail. "TWELFTH: We deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds. We have reached a turning point in human history where the best option is to transcend the limits of national sovereignty and to move toward the building of a world community in which all sectors of the human family can participate. Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a world order based upon transnational federal government. This would appreciate cultural pluralism and diversity. It would not exclude pride in national origins and accomplishments nor the handling of regional problems on a regional basis. Human progress, however, can no longer be achieved by focusing on one section of the world, Western or Eastern, developed or underdeveloped. For the first time in human history, no part of humankind can be isolated from any other. Each person's future is in some way linked to all. We thus reaffirm a commitment to the building of world community, at the same time recognizing that this commits us to some hard choices." To quote the late Myron Cope of Pittsburgh Steeler radio fame: Yoi and double yoi! Transnational federal government. Whatta crocka poo. This is no harmless document: THIS IS THE MIND OF SATAN REVEALED. This is what he is having his deceived ones build. This is what is surrounding the people of God EVERY DAY. You hear humanist buzz-words on your TV. You see humanist legislation in your nation. You read about humanist inspired treaties (wait til you hear the whole enviro-nutty plan they have) in your newspaper. You get humanist inspired teaching in your public schools. It's like a giant python slowly surrounding its prey...just before it consumes it. You don't have to think too awful hard about the "hard choices" mentioned in the last sentence of this tenet. 1. Give up your national sovereignty. Forget the fact that brave men died to obtain your freedom. 2. Like the Borg, you will assimilate...or else, you're one of those alienating forces needing to be modified or eliminated. 3. Keep your lousy religion to yourself. We don't wanna hear about it. Eventually, you people will die off because we're gonna ban the practice of your religion, but til then...SHADDUP. "THIRTEENTH: This world community must renounce the resort to violence and force as a method of solving international disputes. We believe in the peaceful adjudication of differences by international courts and by the development of the arts of negotiation and compromise. War is obsolete. So is the use of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. It is a planetary imperative to reduce the level of military expenditures and turn these savings to peaceful and people-oriented uses." Tell THAT to the Iranians, the North Koreans and the Islamic terrorists...and see how long you keep your head. International courts. Yeah right. Oh yeah...goodbye Second Amendment. Magogism is behind THAT push too. "FOURTEENTH: The world community must engage in cooperative planning concerning the use of rapidly depleting resources. The planet earth must be considered a single ecosystem. Ecological damage, resource depletion, and excessive population growth must be checked by international concord. The cultivation and conservation of nature is a moral value; we should perceive ourselves as integral to the sources of our being in nature. We must free our world from needless pollution and waste, responsibly guarding and creating wealth, both natural and human. Exploitation of natural resources, uncurbed by social conscience, must end." This is where the entire Green Movement/Climate Change crowd gets their inspiration. We're getting this crap rammed down our collective throats RIGHT NOW. Green this, green that, global warming this, climate change that and blah blah blah. You WILL drive a smaller car. You WILL recycle whether you want to or not. You WILL conserve or else Al Gore will come to your town and bore you to death with one of his speeches. (OK, I give. Not Al, please. ) You WILL use a condom when you make love, or get a vasectomy. (Meanwhile, you can have sex like rabbits though, and if she gets pregnant, just abort it, there's no god to judge you for it.) America, you are the cause of all this waste. Bad America, bad. "FIFTEENTH: The problems of economic growth and development can no longer be resolved by one nation alone; they are worldwide in scope. It is the moral obligation of the developed nations to provide - through an international authority that safeguards human rights - massive technical, agricultural, medical, and economic assistance, including birth control techniques, to the developing portions of the globe. World poverty must cease. Hence extreme disproportions in wealth, income, and economic growth should be reduced on a worldwide basis. SIXTEENTH: Technology is a vital key to human progress and development. We deplore any neo-romantic efforts to condemn indiscriminately all technology and science or to counsel retreat from its further extension and use for the good of humankind. We would resist any moves to censor basic scientific research on moral, political, or social grounds. Technology must, however, be carefully judged by the consequences of its use; harmful and destructive changes should be avoided. We are particularly disturbed when technology and bureaucracy control, manipulate, or modify human beings without their consent. Technological feasibility does not imply social or cultural desirability." This is where a lot of US money goes. aid to developing nations. Just throw money to them. (So their godless dictators and roving Nephilim gangs can steal it and use it to buy weapons on the black market and cause more terror.) I love the whole diatribe about extreme disproportions of wealth, income and economic growth. Make too much money, we'll take it from you. If your economy is good, and someone else's isn't, we'll destroy yours and make things even. Tenet Sixteen is the source of things like stem-cell research. How DARE you Christians complain about the use of aborted babies' stem cells to help combat diseases. Notice: 'We would resist'...interesting choice of words. "SEVENTEENTH: We must expand communication and transportation across frontiers. Travel restrictions must cease. The world must be open to diverse political, ideological, and moral viewpoints and evolve a worldwide system of television and radio for information and education. We thus call for full international cooperation in culture, science, the arts, and technology across ideological borders. We must learn to live openly together or we shall perish together." Ever wonder why you HAD to have HDTV? Why analog stations were being forced off the air. Why all TVs now have to be able to accept HDTV? Now you know. The Magogists want it so they can brainwash, I mean educate, you. We demand all countries to live openly together. And now will you please rise for their International Anthem. Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgedrw81 Posted December 18, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,823 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/10/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2009 How many times have we read these things in the posts of our atheist friends that come here (though most don't stay long.) It's amazing how they're all on the same wave length, eh? Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadley Posted December 18, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2009 Humanist always say there is no God and the world is in their hands to make it a better place, but lately they seem to be worried about something I think they can feel the world is changing and they have no control over it ,and its not for the better..... Can you hear the steps of Christ getting closer .... I think the atheist can hear them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted December 18, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 Whenever strange new treaties and legislation come up, come here and read the HM2 and you will see how its principles are being implemented. This is not pie in the sky for the future, the Magogists are ramming this trash down the world's throat right now. If you told them they were doing the bidding of Satan, they'd laugh at you. They see their movement as 'human progress' and 'man evolving to the next level.' They have no clue that Satan is the one behind their movement to rid the world of what they consider 'religious intolerance' and 'God foolishness.' They do not look for a single individual (whom Christians mistakenly call antichrist) to be their leader. They see man as a collective working in synergy to achieve an evolutionary utopia. Paul seems to have seen this by the Holy Spirit; to him, each person involved in this is a 'man of sin'. So when he says the man of sin will arise, he is referring to the LOT of them. Like locusts, they have no king. They act in concert with one another to achieve a goal which the Devil has laid out in their minds. A world without God. John says of Magog in Revelation 20 and the latter portion of verse 8: "...the number of them is like the sand of the seashore." If this phrase sounds familiar, it should. It's apparently a common Hebrew idiom. It's used of Israel in Gen 22:17 and again in Heb 11:12, and also of her enemies; the Midianites in Judges 7:12 and the Philistines in I Sam 13:5. It's called used to describe the depth of Solomon's wisdom in I Ki 4:29. It refers to a vast number. Here in Revelation, John uses it to describe the vast number of people Satan brings against the Church in the final battle. They're like the Midianites and Philistines. And interestingly, like Israel too, or more precisely, like the descendants of Abraham. I described Magog as the 'anti-Israel' earlier. They are the descendants of Gog of Magog in their actions. They hate God, the idea of god and religion. To them, man is the end of all things. They are the truest fools in existence, for they say in their heart "There is no God." They're Midianite like and Philistine like in that they are militant and focused on driving out the very thought of God/gods or a Supreme Being. AND THEY ARE THE VERY CHILDREN OF SATAN SPIRITUALLY. Just like their daddy, they boldly declare "I WILL BE LIKE GOD." They believe their father's lie. Many corporations as well as governments have bought into Magogism. The most notable of late: IBM. They are implementing Tenet 17 like crazy with their so-called "Smarter Planet" drive. All of their efforts will come to naught. The Lord Jesus will destroy them and their efforts with the brightness of His Coming. They will be judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire, and the meek wll inherit the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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