e lansing Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 895 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/23/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 pre Why? have you ever consider the other postions? i was once a believer of none but after studying a bit i concluded pre. what line of scripture makes you think mid or post? Basicly the outline Jesus provided in Matthew 24. I think that the rapture would be such a big event i wonder why Jesus did not even hint about it in that passage. And the fact that others were not able to escape death for there faith in Jesus back then and even today. Some believe that the rapture could happen any time, i am not so sure, i do believe that a rapture will happen at some point, therefore i am open to all positions because regardless of when i will remain faithful to the end! my concern is that some Christians are not open to all three positions and could set themselves up for a big let down and turn from christ out of fear, anger, and lack of faith. It you are a believer you will go with Him regardless of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 21, 2010 What people seem to miss is that the End Times is not about us. Revelation is about Jesus (it says so in the opening of the book ). "Not about us", speaking of Christians, right. are we Christians Body of Christ or bride of Christ? I'm not following your train of thought at all. Rev. 1:1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place It's all about Jesus Himself. Unless you are somehow saying that we are Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e lansing Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 895 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/23/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 What people seem to miss is that the End Times is not about us. Revelation is about Jesus (it says so in the opening of the book ). "Not about us", speaking of Christians, right. are we Christians Body of Christ or bride of Christ? I'm not following your train of thought at all. Rev. 1:1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place It's all about Jesus Himself. Unless you are somehow saying that we are Jesus. Sorry for the confusion by adding that last question. Heres what i ask, who are the people in Rev 7:14,15 if Rev has nothiing to do with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 21, 2010 E lansing - I am still not following your train of thought. It's like this worship song: It's all about You, Jesus And all this is for You For Your glory and your fame It's not about me As if You should do things my way You alone are God And I surrender to your ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.21 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2010 Not to take a stance one way or another, I ask what people think of verse 15? Is this the same as when He comes and we are "caught up" (1 Thessalonians 4:17)? If not, who are these people if they are not part of His body? Revelation 16:13-16 (New King James Version) 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e lansing Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 895 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/23/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 E lansing - I am still not following your train of thought. It's like this worship song: It's all about You, Jesus And all this is for You For Your glory and your fame It's not about me As if You should do things my way You alone are God And I surrender to your ways ok, you said in refference to bride maids, that this has nothing to do with rapture and then you said that Rev has nothing to do with us. I thought you meant christians when you said us so i ask about Rev 7:14,14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exrockstar Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,673 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2010 Basicly the outline Jesus provided in Matthew 24. I think that the rapture would be such a big event i wonder why Jesus did not even hint about it in that passage. And the fact that others were not able to escape death for there faith in Jesus back then and even today. Some believe that the rapture could happen any time, i am not so sure, i do believe that a rapture will happen at some point, therefore i am open to all positions because regardless of when i will remain faithful to the end! my concern is that some Christians are not open to all three positions and could set themselves up for a big let down and turn from christ out of fear, anger, and lack of faith. It you are a believer you will go with Him regardless of when. asking respectfully, but do you accept the concept of the "marriage between Christ and the Church?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.21 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sorry for the confusion by adding that last question. Heres what i ask, who are the people in Rev 7:14,15 if Rev has nothiing to do with us? Revelation 7:13-14 (New King James Version) 13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 21, 2010 ok, you said in refference to bride maids, that this has nothing to do with rapture and then you said that Rev has nothing to do with us. I thought you meant christians when you said us so i ask about Rev 7:14,14. First of all, it's the parable of the 10 virgins - they didn't have bridesmaids back then. Second, I didn't say "Rev. has nothing to do with us." I said it is not about us. Do you understand the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e lansing Posted January 21, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 895 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/23/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Not to take a stance one way or another, I ask what people think of verse 15? Is this the same as when He comes and we are "caught up" (1 Thessalonians 4:17)? If not, who are these people if they are not part of His body? Revelation 16:13-16 (New King James Version) 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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