Blien Posted February 13, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Exodus 34:5-7 5 The LORD descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of the LORD. 6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." I'm sure you've all read this verse in the Bible before. This happened when in Exodus 33 Moses asked to see the glory of the Lord. God told him that He would put Moses in the cleft of the rock while all his goodness would pass before him. When the Lord did this, He said his name "THE LORD" and all of the characteristics of Himself was revealed to Moses which we see in the above passage. Now, I've always thought about what God meant when he said: "visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." I've heard an explanation of it before but totally forgot. What does it mean? Is it exactly as it says here? Because I can recall two stories in the Bible of men and women of God who had their children lives taken away because of some great sin committed in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted February 13, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Found my answer.. http://www.carm.org/bible-difficulties/gen...-fathers-or-not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted February 13, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,274 Content Per Day: 4.82 Reputation: 1,856 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The first time someone in the family accepts Christ as their savior, the curse is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascot Preston Posted February 13, 2010 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/12/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2010 Exodus 34:5-7 5 The LORD descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of the LORD. 6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." I'm sure you've all read this verse in the Bible before. This happened when in Exodus 33 Moses asked to see the glory of the Lord. God told him that He would put Moses in the cleft of the rock while all his goodness would pass before him. When the Lord did this, He said his name "THE LORD" and all of the characteristics of Himself was revealed to Moses which we see in the above passage. Now, I've always thought about what God meant when he said: "visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." I've heard an explanation of it before but totally forgot. What does it mean? Is it exactly as it says here? Because I can recall two stories in the Bible of men and women of God who had their children lives taken away because of some great sin committed in the past. I agree with Parker1 (Romans 5:14, ASV) 'Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted February 14, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Even the curse from God? I sincerely disagree. Remember this was a covenant agreement between those who upheld the old testament laws and regulations. The reason we don't suffer the consequences is because we are in the new covenant. The old wineskin has passed away. And remember... this is one of GOD's attributes also, not a curse.... Exodus 33: 18-20 18 Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory." 19 And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus 34:5-7 5 The LORD descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of the LORD. 6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 14, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Actually, this principle of "sins of the parents" is a common theme addressed in Christian counseling. I recall a song my Morgan Cryar called "Break the Chain" that addresses this issue. I found a copy of the song via a Google search. I don't know how to link to the website, but click here to the search results, and it should be the top link and click on "Play song from ilike.com" to listen. Near the end is a poignant line: "Sometimes sin is just a family tradition... You certainly didn't want to inherit the flame and you sure don't want to pass it down Break the chain." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted February 14, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,274 Content Per Day: 4.82 Reputation: 1,856 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Even the curse from God? I sincerely disagree. Remember this was a covenant agreement between those who upheld the old testament laws and regulations. The reason we don't suffer the consequences is because we are in the new covenant. The old wineskin has passed away. And remember... this is one of GOD's attributes also, not a curse.... Exodus 33: 18-20 18 Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory." 19 And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus 34:5-7 5 The LORD descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of the LORD. 6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." So, if I am forgiven of my sins, what will God visit upon my children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted February 14, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Even the curse from God? I sincerely disagree. Remember this was a covenant agreement between those who upheld the old testament laws and regulations. The reason we don't suffer the consequences is because we are in the new covenant. The old wineskin has passed away. And remember... this is one of GOD's attributes also, not a curse.... Exodus 33: 18-20 18 Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory." 19 And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus 34:5-7 5 The LORD descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of the LORD. 6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." So, if I am forgiven of my sins, what will God visit upon my children? Please read what I wrote... with that being said though there were 2 variations of when this "visiting of the sins" was mentioned in the Bible. Check out the link I posted above which has the answers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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