~candice~ Posted April 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2010 Tony Abbott is Australia's opposition leader (of the Liberal / National coalition). Commonly referred to as 'Captain Catholic' . Read what he has to say here about Jesus and asylum seekers. A short excerpt... JESUS would not necessarily have allowed every asylum-seeker into Australia, federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said last night. "Jesus didn't say yes to everyone," Mr Abbott said on ABC television's Q&A program, according to the Herald Sun. "Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it's not necessarily everyone's place to come to Australia." <snip> Asked what Jesus would do on the issue of asylum-seekers, he replied: "Don't forget, Jesus drove the traders from the temple as well." "This idea that Jesus would say to every person who wanted to come to Australia, 'Fine, the door's open', I just don't think is necessarily right," Mr Abbott said. "(But) let's not verbal Jesus, he is not here to defend himself." I'm not sure the temple traders is the best example to use about Jesus' position on asylum seekers / immigration . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsomebulldog Posted April 6, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 732 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 113 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/26/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/30/1971 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Tony Abbott is Australia's opposition leader (of the Liberal / National coalition). Commonly referred to as 'Captain Catholic' . Read what he has to say here about Jesus and asylum seekers. A short excerpt... JESUS would not necessarily have allowed every asylum-seeker into Australia, federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said last night. "Jesus didn't say yes to everyone," Mr Abbott said on ABC television's Q&A program, according to the Herald Sun. "Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it's not necessarily everyone's place to come to Australia." <snip> Asked what Jesus would do on the issue of asylum-seekers, he replied: "Don't forget, Jesus drove the traders from the temple as well." "This idea that Jesus would say to every person who wanted to come to Australia, 'Fine, the door's open', I just don't think is necessarily right," Mr Abbott said. "(But) let's not verbal Jesus, he is not here to defend himself." I'm not sure the temple traders is the best example to use about Jesus' position on asylum seekers / immigration . Agreed! How'd he make that kind of leap anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted April 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 6, 2010 No idea! Did Jesus even touch on immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HIS girl Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Cleansing the temple was an entirely different matter... It's a hard line to define when it comes to people fleeing their country due to persecution and losing their lives.... When foreigners joined ancient Jewish communities, they were absorbed into it and lived according to Jewish traditions - completely opposite to what happens now...the country that folks flee to, is just a safe haven for them to rebuild and start living their customs again, even when it flies in the face of the culture of their new homeland... It surely is a dilemma. I've been trying to find the verse in the OT where it says about looking after foreigners, widows and fatherless..... PS - notice how many Muslims are fleeing their homelands to set up home in Christian countries??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HIS girl Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 There are many things to consider when accepting refugees - is the land sustainable for the population increase? , is the increase of foreigners putting others jobs at risk?, the likelihood of cultural clashes? many, many things to consider... but to fulfill the 2nd greatest commandment of loving one another, then we release those unjustly bound, break every yoke, let the oppressed go free, share food with the hungry, take the homeless poor into our house, and clothe the naked - Isaiah 58 v 6 - 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted April 6, 2010 "(But) let's not verbal Jesus, he is not here to defend himself." Of course He is, and He's got an army! And the very idea that Jesus needs to defend Himself When will people get it? It's about Him not us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted April 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 6, 2010 There a many things to consider when accepting refugees - is the land sustainable for the population increase? , is the increase of foreigners putting others jobs at risk?, the likelihood of cultural clashes? many, many things to consider... but to fulfill the 2nd greatest commandment of loving one another, then we release those unjustly bound, break every yoke, let the oppressed go free, share food with the hungry, take the homeless poor into our house, and clothe the naked - Isaiah 58 v 6 - 7. Yep it sure it tricky to decide what the biblical command is concerning immigrants. On one hand, the politicians are tasked with managing our national economy, a business per se. Under this guise, they need to be wise stewards, and seek to protect our interests and jobs etc. On the other hand, we don't worship money and we are called to love our neighbours, and that means sometimes letting them into our land and supporting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted April 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 6, 2010 "(But) let's not verbal Jesus, he is not here to defend himself." Of course He is, and He's got an army! And the very idea that Jesus needs to defend Himself When will people get it? It's about Him not us! I think Capt'n Catholic goofed there! Maybe I should write to him and remind him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HIS girl Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 As Christian leaders (Rudd/Abbot) they need to work within Biblical foundations and using commonsense.. but being pollies, there is the instinct/pressure to "please" the majority and generally the majority within the party or g'vt, population, is secular or has secular influences... Some of Abbots comments are kinda embarrassing....and Rudd as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HIS girl Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 'agua' . Me thinks Mr Abbott and Dicky Smith have been drinking from the same well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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