lovdbygod Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/09/1978 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I've never understood what he meaning of this verse is but I know alot of people [some mormon some catholic]have baptism ceremonies for the dead and they go by this bible verse, ELSE WHAT SHALL THEY DO WHICH ARE BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD, IF THE DEAD RISE NOT AT ALL? WHY ARE THEY THEN BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD 1 CO 15:29 can someone please clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godrulz Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 885 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1960 Share Posted December 6, 2010 There are numerous theories about this verse. We should not build a doctrine on one proof text. We know from other verses that it is not talking about the Mormon/LDS practice nor the Catholic practice. The most likely interpretation is that Paul is referring to a pagan practice of his day. He was not condoning it, but using it as an argument about physical resurrection, the true context of I Cor. 15. For those who deny physical resurrection and practice the pagan baptism, why are you baptizing if there is no resurrection?! If you are going to believe in your practice, you should also believe in physical resurrection. The true teaching is resurrection. Elsewhere, Scripture teaches believer's baptism with no proxy baptism or second chance for the dead (Heb. 9:27). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted December 6, 2010 "Just north of Corinth was a city named Eleusis. This was the location of a pagan religion where baptism in the sea was practiced to guarantee a good afterlife. This religion was mentioned by Homer in Hymn to Demeter 478-79.1 The Corinthians were known to be heavily influenced by other customs. After all, they were in a large economic area where a great many different people frequented. It is probable that the Corinthians were being influenced by the religious practices found at Eleusis where baptism for the dead was practiced. Paul used this example from the pagans in 1 Cor. 15:29, when he said, "...if the dead are not raised, then why are they baptized for the dead?" Paul did not say we. This is significant because the Christian church was not practicing baptism for the dead, but the pagans were. Paul's point was simple. The resurrection is a reality. It is going to happen when Jesus returns. Even the pagans believe in the resurrection, otherwise, why would they baptize for the dead? However, some are not convinced by this argument and state that the word "they" is not in the Greek and, therefore, Paul is not speaking about the pagans. Let's take a look. Literally, the verse is translated as "Since what will do the being immersed on behalf of the dead if wholly dead not are raised why also are they immersed on behalf of them." The issue here is the word, "baptizontai" -- "they are baptized." It is the present, passive, indicative, 3rd person, plural. In other words, it is THEY ARE BEING BAPTIZED or, THEY ARE BAPTIZED. I -- first person singular you (singular) -- second person singular he/she/it -- third person singular we -- first person plural you (plural) -- second person plural they -- third person plural It is the latter form, the third person plural (they) in which the verb "baptizo" is found. Therefore, the best translation is "THEY are baptized." - Matt Slick (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry) Paul was talking about pagan prcatice in Corinth. Does this help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2010 Hope this also helps ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Hope this also helps ... Cool! Where did you get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2010 Hope this also helps ... Cool! Where did you get that? www.scripture4all.org You can download the Greek / Hebrew interlinear Bible software called Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic (version 2.1.3) for free. The program allows you to save scripture as a png file, which you can upload to a site and then insert it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Hope this also helps ... Cool! Where did you get that? www.scripture4all.org You can download the Greek / Hebrew interlinear Bible software called Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic (version 2.1.3) for free. The program allows you to save scripture as a png file, which you can upload to a site and then insert it here. Will do as soon as I am on my laptop. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2010 Hope this also helps ... Cool! Where did you get that? www.scripture4all.org You can download the Greek / Hebrew interlinear Bible software called Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic (version 2.1.3) for free. The program allows you to save scripture as a png file, which you can upload to a site and then insert it here. Will do as soon as I am on my laptop. Thanks! Enjoy ... you will need to get use to how they use to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 6, 2010 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,379 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,560 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I've never understood what he meaning of this verse is but I know alot of people [some mormon some catholic]have baptism ceremonies for the dead and they go by this bible verse, ELSE WHAT SHALL THEY DO WHICH ARE BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD, IF THE DEAD RISE NOT AT ALL? WHY ARE THEY THEN BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD 1 CO 15:29 can someone please clarify? The vanity of doing an act without being in submission to it's purpose... Luke 3:7-8 7 Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. NKJV Some believe choice extends past death for they will not give up their dead works! Hence Christ's teaching Luke 9:60 60 Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and preach the kingdom of God." NKJV That which serves the body is dead that which serves the Spirit is life for evermore! The Born of God are the Baptized in Spirit and truth as death is swallowed up before them and the 2nd death has no power over them they enter into the blessed eternal state... Love Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted December 7, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Share Posted December 7, 2010 "This difficult verse has numerous possible interpretations. Other Scripture passages, however, clarify certain things which it does not mean. It does not teach, for example, that a dead person can be saved by another person's being baptized on his behalf, because baptism never has a part in a person's salvation (Eph. 2:8; cf. Rom. 3:28, 4:3; 6:3,4). A reasonable view seems to be that "they...who are baptized" refers to living believers who give outward testimony to their faith in baptism by water because they were first drawn to Christ by the exemplary lives, faithful influence, and witness of believers who had subsequently died. Paul's point is that if there were no resurrection and no life after death, then why are people coming to Christ to follow the hope of those who have died?" - The MacArthur Study Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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