Guest Butero Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 The Nurenburg trials were not held by the Israelis, but by the USA, France, Britain and the USSR. My mistake. The Nurenberg trials were not wrong, but they were unnecessary. If they had shot Eichmann on sight, that would have been a good outcome as well. Either way, Eichmann got what he deserved. I look forward to more of these terrorist cockroaches to get the same treatment as Bin Ladin got. In fact, if Israel were not so worried about the sniveling, imbecilic hypocrites in Europe and elsewhere, they would have popped a hole in the head of Arafat years and years ago. I agree that Eichman got what he deserved. He got a trial, one that resulted in his conviction for the crimes he commited. It's something and his ilk denied others, but it's something we need to hold onto and treat as being very precious. I am scared of the idea of living in the world where those with political power can just mete out their interpretation of justice as they see fit. This may appeal to you, but to me it is the approach of the totalitarians: the Stalins, the Robspierres, the Maos, the Francos, the pol Pots, the Osama Bin Ladins and the Eichmans of this world. The crazed idealists who think they know the right way and believe they have the right to lord it over the rest of us, deciding who should live and who should die. I find your rhetoric both corny and frightening. People whatever their crimes are not cockroaches (a term you use a lot for anyone you dislike not just terrorists, even in one post for anti Zionist Jews). And people need to be called to account for their actions and a court of law is the place to do that. As to your "snivelling, imbecilic, hypocrites" stuff. Firstly, I'd start by saying that there are many within Israel who support the rule of law - not least I suspect because many have very real experience of living in states be they in other parts of the Middle East; the Soviet block: or under the Nazis where its writ does not run and have seen and suffered from the consequences -, so its not something imposed on them from outside. Secondly, that it's a rather crude attempt to maginalise those who you don't agree with. Rather than engage with their arguments you slander. Out of interest what makes anyone who opposes your approach an imbecile, a hypocrite or indeed a sniveller? I am going to agree with both of you on differen't points. First, the word assassinate does apply in the killing of Bin Laden. I am convinced he was assassinated. It is not giving him respect to say that. It is just the appropriate word to describe what happened. That is as much as I agree with you Amor. I agree with shiloh357 that Bin Laden got what he deserved. I also agree he didn't deserve a Muslim funeral, and that we should have used the occassion to make sure that the Muslim world was convinced he went to hell, rather than to see Allah. If they don't think they will receive benefits for being a martyr, it may not be so appealing? I also agree with Shiloh in how he described Bin Laden. He is not as good as a cockroach. He was a vile piece of human garbage. When it comes to most people, I would agree with you that such derogatory terms are not deserved. Just remember who Bin Laden is. He is a man whose ambition is to figure out ways to murder innocent people. If he doesn't deserve the title of cockroach, I don't know who does? When it comes to Shiloh's comments about sniveling, imbecelic hypocrites in Europe, he has a point. They always expect Israel to take anything the Muslim world dishes out, and if they do retaliate, they attack Israel as though they were responsible for the unprovoked violence. They are hypocrites. He wasn't saying everyone that disagreed with him were hypocrites. It feels funny taking sides with Shiloh357, but when he is right, he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I am scared of the idea of living in the world where those with political power can just mete out their interpretation of justice as they see fit. When one is an enemy combatant of the US, we can seek him out and destroy him. That is the reality of war. This may appeal to you, but to me it is the approach of the totalitarians: the Stalins, the Robspierres, the Maos, the Francos, the pol Pots, the Osama Bin Ladins and the Eichmans of this world. Wrong. Those people were dictators and despots who persecuted and murdered anyone that disagreed with their idealogy. They murdered innocent people. We went after and killed a man who committed an act of war against our country, so the comparison you made doesn't really work. The crazed idealists who think they know the right way and believe they have the right to lord it over the rest of us, deciding who should live and who should die.Killing Obama was not an example of crazed idealists. It was actually carried out by a far left liberal, pro-socialist president of the US. It was one of yours that gave the Okay to kill him. Secondly, the kiling of Obama was not an attept to lord anything over anyone. It was a justified response to an enemy combatant who has the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands. I find your rhetoric both corny and frightening. People whatever their crimes are not cockroaches (a term you use a lot for anyone you dislike not just terrorists, even in one post for anti Zionist Jews). Because by nature they are like cockroaches. They hide in corners and hate the light. They are at heart, cowards. When civilized people are tired of being terrorized and bring the light of justice to their nests, we have liberals like you coming out of the woodwork. Of course you are silent when the terroists murder their victims. You only find your outrage when the cockroaches are brought to account for actions and are dutifully put away forever. And people need to be called to account for their actions and a court of law is the place to do that. Terrorists who are enemy combatants of the US like Osama Bin Ladin, get what they have coming to them. As to your "snivelling, imbecilic, hypocrites" stuff. Firstly, I'd start by saying that there are many within Israel who support the rule of law - not least I suspect because many have very real experience of living in states be they in other parts of the Middle East; the Soviet block: or under the Nazis where its writ does not run and have seen and suffered from the consequences -, so its not something imposed on them from outside.Yes, they do supoprt the rule of law. Which is why Israel doesn't respond to the Terrorists with the same vile suicide bombings and so on. It is why Israelli prisons are full of terrorists. Secondly, that it's a rather crude attempt to maginalise those who you don't agree with. Rather than engage with their arguments you slander. Out of interest what makes anyone who opposes your approach an imbecile, a hypocrite or indeed a sniveller? Because those in Europe who are far, far more vicious when dealing with terrorists continue to condemn Israel for any method of self defense, labeling Israel as racist, calling Israel's security fence an apartheid wall, and equating any self-defensive countermeasure Israel employs in response with the terrorism that precipitated the response in the first place. No other country would tolerate 10% of what Israel suffers, yet condemns Isarel for responding with measures that any other nation would emmploy were it facing a simmilar response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted May 12, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Bin Laden declared war on the US in war you kill people, we killed him. As far as a Muslim burial goes, yeah I am sure that was really done. Besides the whole getting rid of the body in 24hr worked for us in this case. The problem with any sort of civil trail of any of these terrorists is that it is unlikely that we could convict any of them with the exception of those who directly involved. Who would the witnesses be that saw Bin Laden give the exact orders to those exact men to fly those planes? The same goes for all of them that is the way they operate at most it would be a conspiracy charge also very hard to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted May 12, 2011 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2011 The crazed idealists who think they know the right way and believe they have the right to lord it over the rest of us, deciding who should live and who should die.Killing Obama was not an example of crazed idealists. It was actually carried out by a far left liberal, pro-socialist president of the US. It was one of yours that gave the Okay to kill him. Secondly, the kiling of Obama was not an attept to lord anything over anyone. It was a justified response to an enemy combatant who has the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands. Double Freudian slip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 The crazed idealists who think they know the right way and believe they have the right to lord it over the rest of us, deciding who should live and who should die.Killing Obama was not an example of crazed idealists. It was actually carried out by a far left liberal, pro-socialist president of the US. It was one of yours that gave the Okay to kill him. Secondly, the kiling of Obama was not an attept to lord anything over anyone. It was a justified response to an enemy combatant who has the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands. Double Freudian slip? Does it matter? You know what I meant. I am sure that you would love to pin something like that on me. People get the two names confused on TV all the time. In fact, when he was running for pres., I heard many people slip. They are both Muslim names one letter difference. Grow up and reply to the substance of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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