Littlelambseativy Posted June 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2011 A most provocative view for some regarding who the Nephilim of the Old and New Testament are. Patrick has been interviewed on many shows and websites such as Raidersnewsnetwork and Blog Talk Radio etc and has written the book Retrurn of the Anti Christ and the New World Order. What do you think of his interpretation seen here - This is a bit of a thorny topic as most folks believe the Nephilim are the offspring of the fallen angels which were giants. I disagree. When researching the Word, one must take into account several things regarding the word or phrase or topic under scrutiny. The word 'nephilim' was translated in the KJV as 'giants', because, I assume, they did not know what the word meant. Hence everyone thinks that the Nephilim are the hybrid offspring of spirits and humans which were giants. But the Hebrew word 'nephilim' literally means 'the fallen ones'. I contend that these were the fallen angels themselves, the sons of God, who fell from grace, fell from Heaven and fell to earth. Hence, 'the fallen ones'. Nephilim. But let us widen the study from Genesis 6. We are discussing fallen angels here. So to better understand our quest, we look at many of the places in Scripture and the Book of Enoch where it speaks of angels falling from Heaven to earth. This will provide a 'scope' of the topic of fallen angels and better inform us. To save time, I shall list these off quickly: "How art thou fallen from Heaven O Lucifer..." Isa 14:12 "I beheld Satan as lightening fall to earth..." Luke 10:18 "I saw a star (angel) fall from Heaven onto the earth..." Rev.9:1 "And the stars (angels) of Heaven fell unto the earth as figs falling..." Rev.6:13 "Behold a star fell from Heaven..." Book of Enoch 86:1 "I saw many stars fall and cast themselves from Heaven..." Enoch 86:3 "He seized the first star that had fallen from the Heavens..." Enoch 88:1 "The seven heads are seven kings...five have fallen, one is and the other is not yet come..." Rev.17:9,10 (That is, these seven are Nephilim. This is why it says 'five are fallen' because they are 'fallen angels'). So the interesting thing to notice here is that everywhere it talks of angels coming from Heaven to earth, it uses the words 'fall' or 'fallen' to describe the event. This is not a coincidence. This is the proper usage of words by the Holy Spirit to communicate an idea. God could have used other words such as descended; alighted; came down; landed; flew down; appeared etc. But He did not. He uses the word 'fallen'. This gives us the overall picture regarding evil angels falling to earth and ties us back to the Nephilim of Genesis 6; the 'fallen ones'. I know some will say that the Greek Septuagint translates this word as 'gigantes'. But Greek was not in existence and only came along way after the events of Genesis 6 which was a mere 800 to 1,000 years or so after Adam and Eve in the garden. So we must defer to the inspiried Word of God for direction and this informs us that those evil spirit men who manifested on earth way back in the dim, distant past on Mount Hermon were the Nephilim; the fallen ones. Thus there is a reason why Genesis 6:4 says: "The Nephilim were ON THE EARTH in those days..." The inference being that prior to this they were not on the earth. They were in Heaven and had not yet left their 'first estate'. Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their own estate, but left their own habitation..." 'Habitation' here is oiketerion. The only other place this word is found is in 2 Corinthians 5:2 which speaks of our spiritual bodies. Thus Jude is telling us that when the fallen angels left their original home, Heaven, and fell to earth, they forsook their spiritual bodies or lost some of their spiritual abilities, and became manifest on earth in full view of humankind. So let us be technically and grammatically accurate when we speak of the evil fallen angels. These are the Nephilim who became the heroes of old, the men of renown in Greek and Roman mythology which speaks of the exploits of these gods of legend. Sure it speaks of the giants also. But these were a mere sideshow compared to the supernatural, powerful spiritual beings who manifested on planet earth in plain sight and caused all the sin and violence in those days which filled the earth with bloodshed and precipitated the Flood. And, "as it was in the days of Noah...so shall it be". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted June 9, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 196 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2011 So let us be technically and grammatically accurate when we speak of the evil fallen angels. These are the Nephilim who became the heroes of old, the men of renown in Greek and Roman mythology which speaks of the exploits of these gods of legend. Sure it speaks of the giants also. But these were a mere sideshow compared to the supernatural, powerful spiritual beings who manifested on planet earth in plain sight and caused all the sin and violence in those days which filled the earth with bloodshed and precipitated the Flood. And, "as it was in the days of Noah...so shall it be". That's all fine for speculation but it's not grammatically accurate. Gen 6:4 NKJV There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Ok so yeah the NKJV uses Giants instead of Nephilim fine fine. It clearly says that the men of old and renown, Nephilim, were the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. They were not just fallen angels they were the offspring of the fallen angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted June 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 Where does it say that they were offspring o the fallen angels? This is the point that he is making. It has become an accepted fact. But is it a proven fact using the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted June 9, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 196 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2011 Where does it say that they were offspring o the fallen angels? This is the point that he is making. It has become an accepted fact. But is it a proven fact using the Bible? Yes it says right there in that verse Gen 6:4 Gen 6:4 NKJV There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Breaking down it down. Who is Them? The sons of God. Who were these children or offspring? Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Who were the giants aka Nephilim? Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Thus the Nephilim are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botanist Posted June 10, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 53 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/21/1977 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Joshua came and cut off the Anakim from the mountains . . . Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities. None of the Anakim were left in the land of the children of Israel; they remained only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod. ~Joshua 11 Joshua failed, sadly, to destroy every last Anakim. This is the source of all the enduring termoil in the Middle East today. (see: table of nations. bloodlines. archaeoligical anomlies) These are the 'powers and princapalities in high places we battle against' why 'the weapons of our warfare are spiritual not carnal for the pulling down of strongholds' and why merciful most High God give 'the Full Armor of God' to those who keep His commandments. why? Eph 3 - To make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord. Fallen Watchers. Familiar Spirits. Necromancy, Devination, Sorcery. Unidentified Flying Objects, messengers of the Prince of the Power of the Air, the false, counterfeit light that illuminates nothing. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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