Dok Posted June 16, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 57 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2011 How do I answer? "Forget about that for a minute". "Have you heard about Jesus, can I tell you about Him for a minute"? "We can discuss the other stuff later if you want to, but lets talk about the most important part of the bible first"..... Yeah, sort of like my response, which is "who cares?" And then, "Where will you spend eternity?" "No, the Bible is not invalid due to so-called circular reasoning. Where do you think I'd go for proof? The phone book? The library? A meeting of atheists? Give me a break!" ........... an' dats duh nema dat tun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted June 16, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted June 16, 2011 How do I answer? "Forget about that for a minute". "Have you heard about Jesus, can I tell you about Him for a minute"? "We can discuss the other stuff later if you want to, but lets talk about the most important part of the bible first"..... Yeah, sort of like my response, which is "who cares?" And then, "Where will you spend eternity?" "No, the Bible is not invalid due to so-called circular reasoning. Where do you think I'd go for proof? The phone book? The library? A meeting of atheists? Give me a break!" ........... an' dats duh nema dat tun. I guess we need to practice what James advises us to do when asked the tough questions, from new Christians or unbelievers... Jas 3:4 Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. Jas 3:5 So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. Jas 3:7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, Jas 3:8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. Jas 3:9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. Jas 3:10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Jas 3:11 Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Jas 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water. Jas 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. Sometimes it is difficult, but I always remember James 3:4 Think about it. We have a ship, with huge sails, on rough seas. Unless we as the crew, driven by the wind of the Holy Spirit, use the rudder (tongue), with wisdom, and grace, pretty soon we are going to run up against the rocks of the World. It is our job, it is commanded, that we stay sailing in the direction that the wind of the Spirit directs. We can steer counter to the wind, we have that choice. But it is a difficult tack, and usually ends in a shipwreck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 16, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2011 You know... when someone asks us a tricky question about our faith, they often expect us to answer on the spot. There is nothing wrong with telling them that this isn't something you've committed to memory, and you will do your research and get back to them. Then google apologetics articles like mad . I do it often. And while I am doing my homework, I give them some too. "Hey, why don't you read John 1 and we'll discuss it when we've finished talking about the hugely important issue of dinosaur toenails". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted June 16, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 Beyond that....it is greatly mentioned that indeed the bible has no explaination for dinosaurs at all. Clearly they existed 'before' man, although, there is scientific evidence that man existed at the end of the time of the dinosaur. However, if you read Job 40, this "behemoth"....well if I see an animal like this, I am calling the national guard! "Eats grass like an ox, strength in the hips, power in the stomach muscles, moves his tail like a cedar, thighs tightly knit, ribs like bars of iron"..sound like anything you have heard of pre-historic. Here is the next verse...."He is FIRST of the ways of God". "Only HE who made him can bring near HIS sword". How did dinosaurs perish? Nature! An ice age. An act of God. Your next question would be....what about the scientific evidence that dinosaurs existed quite a long time before humans. If in fact, God created the earth in 7 days, how does the bible explain this scientic difference? 2 Peter 3:8 "Beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day". If you were to take this literally according to our watches today, the difference between the creation of animals in Genesis and the creation of man would be at LEAST 4,000 years (present time). The bible can explain the presence of creation. As far a Jesus just showing himself to his disciples....well according to Luke 24:13-32 that isnt true at all. Neither of the men walking the "Road to Emmaus" were disciples of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2011 Beyond that....it is greatly mentioned that indeed the bible has no explaination for dinosaurs at all. Clearly they existed 'before' man, although, there is scientific evidence that man existed at the end of the time of the dinosaur. However, if you read Job 40, this "behemoth"....well if I see an animal like this, I am calling the national guard! "Eats grass like an ox, strength in the hips, power in the stomach muscles, moves his tail like a cedar, thighs tightly knit, ribs like bars of iron"..sound like anything you have heard of pre-historic. Here is the next verse...."He is FIRST of the ways of God". "Only HE who made him can bring near HIS sword". How did dinosaurs perish? Nature! An ice age. An act of God. Your next question would be....what about the scientific evidence that dinosaurs existed quite a long time before humans. If in fact, God created the earth in 7 days, how does the bible explain this scientic difference? 2 Peter 3:8 "Beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day". If you were to take this literally according to our watches today, the difference between the creation of animals in Genesis and the creation of man would be at LEAST 4,000 years (present time). The bible can explain the presence of creation. As far a Jesus just showing himself to his disciples....well according to Luke 24:13-32 that isnt true at all. Neither of the men walking the "Road to Emmaus" were disciples of Christ. Brother... a few points. The verse about a thousand years is not applicable to creation. And secondly, if there were 4000 years between dino's and man, doesn't that infer pre fall death? I might be in dire need of caffeine but it seems as though you are purporting OEC as an apologetics tool rather than a position from rightly dividing the Word. Can you clarify? Ta (thats ozzie for, cheers mate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 2 Peter 3:8 "Beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day". If you were to take this literally according to our watches today, the difference between the creation of animals in Genesis and the creation of man would be at LEAST 4,000 years (present time). The verse out of Peter is not meant to be a fomula. Peter is not saying that 1,000 years =24 hrs. to God. Peter was answering scoffers who mocked the claim of Christ's return because it seems that since He has not come yet, we are trusting in an empty promise. Peter's point was that what we deem as slack, or slowness on God's part isn't. Christ's return is coming but the delay is an act of mercy so to give time for the mockers and the skeptics to repent. Peter simply made a comparison to what we deem is slackness on God's part when in fact, God is moving things along in His time. As far a Jesus just showing himself to his disciples....well according to Luke 24:13-32 that isnt true at all. Neither of the men walking the "Road to Emmaus" were disciples of Christ. Nebula didn't say that Jesus ONLY showed himself to His disciples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2011 I think I found the right thread that I was looking for and hope that somebody can help me answer my questions. My cousin sent me to a webpage that says that Jesus wasn't real and they are really rude and dirty. I made the mistake to read some of it and now I feel really terrible and feel that my faith is weak. Can anybody give me some ideas about what to say to somebody who says that Jesus was not real? I wonder how this one page can make me question my lifelong faith in Christ. Your faith is the most valuable thing you have and needs to be treasured and protected. Going to atheist sites like that is not a wise way to protect your faith if you feel vulnerable in that area. There is a lot of historical evidence that Jesus is real and people who deny that are being intellectually dishonest. I will come back with some evidence of His existence on earth, in the mean time, I'm praying for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I think I found the right thread that I was looking for and hope that somebody can help me answer my questions. My cousin sent me to a webpage that says that Jesus wasn't real and they are really rude and dirty. I made the mistake to read some of it and now I feel really terrible and feel that my faith is weak. Can anybody give me some ideas about what to say to somebody who says that Jesus was not real? I wonder how this one page can make me question my lifelong faith in Christ. Your faith is the most valuable thing you have and needs to be treasured and protected. Going to atheist sites like that is not a wise way to protect your faith if you feel vulnerable in that area. There is a lot of historical evidence that Jesus is real and people who deny that are being intellectually dishonest. I will come back with some evidence of His existence on earth, in the mean time, I'm praying for you. Beloved The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. Jeremiah 31:3 Eat! Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16 Eat! And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deuteronomy 8:3 You're Starving And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4 You Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalms 119:105 See I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. Psalms 22:10-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted June 19, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hi Candaice, My point wasnt meant to infer that there was literally 4,000 years between man and dinosaurs. In fact, I dont think the bible clarifies the time frame at all. My point was that the bible is specific about the fact that God's timing and our timing are not the same. So the fact that the bible says "on the 7th day he rested" cannot infer that 7 days would be 24 hour time periods. 7 days could in fact be millions of years. Darwinist use the 7 day period as a way of proving that the bible cannot be fact. However, the explainations can be found quite easily in the bible. Beyond that....it is greatly mentioned that indeed the bible has no explaination for dinosaurs at all. Clearly they existed 'before' man, although, there is scientific evidence that man existed at the end of the time of the dinosaur. However, if you read Job 40, this "behemoth"....well if I see an animal like this, I am calling the national guard! "Eats grass like an ox, strength in the hips, power in the stomach muscles, moves his tail like a cedar, thighs tightly knit, ribs like bars of iron"..sound like anything you have heard of pre-historic. Here is the next verse...."He is FIRST of the ways of God". "Only HE who made him can bring near HIS sword". How did dinosaurs perish? Nature! An ice age. An act of God. Your next question would be....what about the scientific evidence that dinosaurs existed quite a long time before humans. If in fact, God created the earth in 7 days, how does the bible explain this scientic difference? 2 Peter 3:8 "Beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day". If you were to take this literally according to our watches today, the difference between the creation of animals in Genesis and the creation of man would be at LEAST 4,000 years (present time). The bible can explain the presence of creation. As far a Jesus just showing himself to his disciples....well according to Luke 24:13-32 that isnt true at all. Neither of the men walking the "Road to Emmaus" were disciples of Christ. Brother... a few points. The verse about a thousand years is not applicable to creation. And secondly, if there were 4000 years between dino's and man, doesn't that infer pre fall death? I might be in dire need of caffeine but it seems as though you are purporting OEC as an apologetics tool rather than a position from rightly dividing the Word. Can you clarify? Ta (thats ozzie for, cheers mate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted June 19, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hi Shiloh, Thanks for the post. I clarified the first comment about in the response to Candice. As far as the Luke verses, the bible doesnt specify that the travelers on the "Road to Emmaus" were disciples of anyone at all. As a matter of fact, it infers that they were just people interested in Jesus who thought he might be the true savior but were disappointed. . At least thats what I read when I read those verses. 2 Peter 3:8 "Beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day". If you were to take this literally according to our watches today, the difference between the creation of animals in Genesis and the creation of man would be at LEAST 4,000 years (present time). The verse out of Peter is not meant to be a fomula. Peter is not saying that 1,000 years =24 hrs. to God. Peter was answering scoffers who mocked the claim of Christ's return because it seems that since He has not come yet, we are trusting in an empty promise. Peter's point was that what we deem as slack, or slowness on God's part isn't. Christ's return is coming but the delay is an act of mercy so to give time for the mockers and the skeptics to repent. Peter simply made a comparison to what we deem is slackness on God's part when in fact, God is moving things along in His time. As far a Jesus just showing himself to his disciples....well according to Luke 24:13-32 that isnt true at all. Neither of the men walking the "Road to Emmaus" were disciples of Christ. Nebula didn't say that Jesus ONLY showed himself to His disciples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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