douggg Posted January 19, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) The question is who is the harlot riding the beast and sitting on many waters. Israel and Jerusalem in the passages you refer to doesn't fit that requirement. Israel has not been a nation for 2000 years until 1948. And Jerusalem has not been it's capital until 1967. The RCC which has been active in persecuting Christians over that 2000 year period fits the description of the whore when the facts are examined. Ezekiel 38/39 eliminates that the whore is Israel. God defends Israel in the attack of God/Magog. And later at the end of the 7 years, the Lord returns to rescue the Jews in Jerusalem, from the other nations. Doug Ancient Israel of Jesus' day fits exactly. Revelation is about the things that SOON come to pass. No matter how ya looks at it, 2000 years AIN'T soon. Ezekiel 38 and 39 are about the defeat of the Scythians. While John uses the Ezekiel prophecy as a figure of how the men of the last days will attack the Church, that occurs after the millennium. Where is 7 years mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39? (it isn't) Parts of Revelation did come to pass soon - regarding the persecution of the churches which took place back in John's day. The seven years is in Ezekiel 39, between the two feasts. The feast in Ezekiel 39:4 is on Gog's army. The feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast. The little horn will arrive in Israel, concurrent with God's supernatural destruction of Gog/Magog. The Jews will think that the little horn is their perceived King Messiah, thinking that God has paved the way for him and the messianic era by destroying all their enemies. The little horn thus becomes the Antichrist false King Messiah. I would like for you to consider this about Jesus. before the resurrection - was ultimately rejected by the Jews as their King Messiah, the great promised king, because he came in his Father's name. after the resurrection - explained to the disciples that he had to die for the sins of mankind, opening their understanding of the scriptures, and the gospel of salvation from their sins for eternal life. Luke 24:44-47. Now the parallel of the Antichrist person as he progresses in his career as his "Antichrist" false King Messiah stage, then his man of sin stage, and finally at his Antichrist-beast stage, false eternal life messiah. First half of the 7 years Antichrist false King Messiah stage - before he is revealed as the man of sin - will be embraced by the Jews as their King Messiah (in lieu of Jesus the true King Messiah). Middle of the 7 years Man of Sin stage - goes into the temple and declares that he is God - declares in his own name (coming in his own name) that he is God... after the Jews have embraced him for over 3 years as their King Messiah. They drop him like a hot potato as their King Messiah. Second half of the 7 years Antichrist-beast stage, false eternal life messiah (Revelation 13) - is resurrected comeback to life - appears to the world to have overcome death; and the false gospel is that all who believe in him will have eternal life. The false prophet has the world make an image of him to be worshiped. Doug Edited January 19, 2012 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted January 19, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2012 The question is who is the harlot riding the beast and sitting on many waters. Israel and Jerusalem in the passages you refer to doesn't fit that requirement. Israel has not been a nation for 2000 years until 1948. And Jerusalem has not been it's capital until 1967. The RCC which has been active in persecuting Christians over that 2000 year period fits the description of the whore when the facts are examined. Ezekiel 38/39 eliminates that the whore is Israel. God defends Israel in the attack of God/Magog. And later at the end of the 7 years, the Lord returns to rescue the Jews in Jerusalem, from the other nations. Doug Ancient Israel of Jesus' day fits exactly. Revelation is about the things that SOON come to pass. No matter how ya looks at it, 2000 years AIN'T soon. Ezekiel 38 and 39 are about the defeat of the Scythians. While John uses the Ezekiel prophecy as a figure of how the men of the last days will attack the Church, that occurs after the millennium. Where is 7 years mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39? (it isn't) Parts of Revelation did come to pass soon - regarding the persecution of the churches which took place back in John's day. The seven years is in Ezekiel 39, between the two feasts. The feast in Ezekiel 39:4 is on Gog's army. The feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast. The little horn will arrive in Israel, concurrent with God's supernatural destruction of Gog/Magog. The Jews will think that the little horn is their perceived King Messiah, thinking that God has paved the way for him and the messianic era by destroying all their enemies. The little horn thus becomes the Antichrist false King Messiah. I would like for you to consider this about Jesus. before the resurrection - was ultimately rejected by the Jews as their King Messiah, the great promised king, because he came in his Father's name. after the resurrection - explained to the disciples that he had to die for the sins of mankind, opening their understanding of the scriptures, and the gospel of salvation from their sins for eternal life. Luke 24:44-47. Now the parallel of the Antichrist person as he progresses in his career as his "Antichrist" false King Messiah stage, then his man of sin stage, and finally at his Antichrist-beast stage, false eternal life messiah. First half of the 7 years Antichrist false King Messiah stage - before he is revealed as the man of sin - will be embraced by the Jews as their King Messiah (in lieu of Jesus the true King Messiah). Middle of the 7 years Man of Sin stage - goes into the temple and declares that he is God - declares in his own name (coming in his own name) that he is God... after the Jews have embraced him for over 3 years as their King Messiah. They drop him like a hot potato as their King Messiah. Second half of the 7 years Antichrist-beast stage, false eternal life messiah (Revelation 13) - is resurrected comeback to life - appears to the world to have overcome death; and the false gospel is that all who believe in him will have eternal life. The false prophet has the world make an image of him to be worshiped. Doug Well, doug, you are adding the "stages" in there. I don't believe that's scriptural. The beast is the final kingdom that rises after the devil is cast down. The beast is given a mouth (devil-worshipping "dear leader") and only gets 42 months. (Rev 13) The stages are there, but they are not spelled out to be stages. To illustrate this point, for example, John F. Kennedy was President of the United States. But he did not start out as President. He went through the PT 109 commander stage, then the Senator stage, then the President stage. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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