The Purpose of the "Rapture"

[goldust59]

Eleanor, We have the Holy Spirit to reveal to us what the riddles mean & it is an ongoing process of revelation. I believe that God intends for all His riddles to be understood in His timing & He reveals as it is time to do so.

Do you have any idea why he is revealing opposite meanings of the same Scriptures to so many people?

I really don't know that He is. Maybe the same thing that happened to me is happening to others.

When I first started really hearing, I would get an understanding of something & instantly think I had all the truth about that one thing. I found out along the way that wasn't how it worked most of the time. The Lord seems to like to put pieces together a little at a time.

So I have come to think that may be what is happening in a lot of cases. When a person thinks that they have obtained a certain truth, they tend to stop looking at that area with an open spirit & can miss further revelation. I know, cause I been there, done that. Was quite humbling too!

That's why I try to stay open & will examine other perspectives on things, especially things that appear to be solid but cause a lot of division within the Body.

Let's not forgot that we have an adversary that will take a truth & mix in a lie to cause confusion. The devil DOES NOT want the Body to come into agreement.

[goldust59]

Shalom, everyone.

First of all, since this thread is about the purpose of the "Rapture," we must understand that the word that was translated into Latin as "raptura," from which we get our word "rapture," is the Greek word "harpazoo," which means "I sieze, I snatch away." Found in 1 Thess. 4:17 as the specific word "harpageesometha," pronounced as "har-pah-gay-SOM-meth-ah," and translated as "shall be caught up" in the KJV. Other than the presumptuous interpretation of this word, there is no "up" in the verse. The word "up" was supplied by the translator. The reason why it was supplied was because of the additional words "en nefelais" and the phrase "eis apanteesin tou kuriou eis aera." Translated, these words mean "in clouds" and "into meeting with-the Lord/Master into air."

However, one must understand further that NO DESTINATION IS GIVEN IN THIS PASSAGE! We're just told that we'll never be separated from Him again (wherever we go from there).

I submit to you that we go from there DIRECTLY to Isra'el to arrive with our Lord Yeshua` as the "armies from the sky" that arrive with Him (Deut 33:2; Dan. 7:18-27; Zech. 14:5; Jude 14; Rev. 19:14). Thus, the purpose of the "rapture" is not to escape from the wrath to come (escapism) nor is it to be the "bride in heaven" for the marriage feast and the ones who stand before the "beema (judgment seat) of Christ," which events are better understood shortly within the Millennial reign of Yeshua` haMashiach Elohiym (Jesus the Christ of God) who is going to become haMelekh Yisra'el (the King of Isra'el) and haMelekh Malakhiym (the King of Kings or World Emperor, like Nebuchadnezzar). The purpose of the "rapture" is to act as a sort of MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM to get us all to the Holy Land quickly!

Second, I should like to provide an alternative view (literally) on the New Jerusalem, or rather, Yerushalayim haChadashah:

The taking of the believers straight to Israel to meet Jesus at His return makes the most sense of any of the "rapture" scenarios I have heard. I will be looking further into that.

[goldust59]

Eleanor, We have the Holy Spirit to reveal to us what the riddles mean & it is an ongoing process of revelation. I believe that God intends for all His riddles to be understood in His timing & He reveals as it is time to do so.

Do you have any idea why he is revealing opposite meanings of the same Scriptures to so many people?

I really don't know that He is. Maybe the same thing that happened to me is happening to others.

When I first started really hearing, I would get an understanding of something & instantly think I had all the truth about that one thing. I found out along the way that wasn't how it worked most of the time. The Lord seems to like to put pieces together a little at a time.

So I have come to think that may be what is happening in a lot of cases. When a person thinks that they have obtained a certain truth, they tend to stop looking at that area with an open spirit & can miss further revelation. I know, cause I been there, done that. Was quite humbling too!

That's why I try to stay open & will examine other perspectives on things, especially things that appear to be solid but cause a lot of division within the Body.

Let's not forgot that we have an adversary that will take a truth & mix in a lie to cause confusion. The devil DOES NOT want the Body to come into agreement.

We need to agree only on what is necessary to salvation and godliness.

Although I agree that we need to agree on those things, I believe God has a plan for us that He has not fully revealed. I think part of it is to bring us to a fully mature Body without all the division evident today.

[goldust59]

Eleanor, We have the Holy Spirit to reveal to us what the riddles mean & it is an ongoing process of revelation. I believe that God intends for all His riddles to be understood in His timing & He reveals as it is time to do so.

Do you have any idea why he is revealing opposite meanings of the same Scriptures to so many people?

I really don't know that He is. Maybe the same thing that happened to me is happening to others.

When I first started really hearing, I would get an understanding of something & instantly think I had all the truth about that one thing. I found out along the way that wasn't how it worked most of the time. The Lord seems to like to put pieces together a little at a time.

So I have come to think that may be what is happening in a lot of cases. When a person thinks that they have obtained a certain truth, they tend to stop looking at that area with an open spirit & can miss further revelation. I know, cause I been there, done that. Was quite humbling too!

That's why I try to stay open & will examine other perspectives on things, especially things that appear to be solid but cause a lot of division within the Body.

Let's not forgot that we have an adversary that will take a truth & mix in a lie to cause confusion. The devil DOES NOT want the Body to come into agreement.

We need to agree only on what is necessary to salvation and godliness.

Although I agree that we need to agree on those things, I believe God has a plan for us that He has not fully revealed. I think part of it is to bring us to a fully mature Body without all the division evident today.

I believe only what Scripture states.

here is scripture about the mature Body:

Ephesians 4:11-13~ And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; For the perfecting(equipping) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in(to) the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect(mature) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

14-16~That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive: But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things,which is the Head, even Christ: From Whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

I missed part of your post (#119).

Hidden in the written Word are many, many truths. The further revelation I spoke of was referring to those hidden truths that the Holy Spirit reveals as the time is right for Him to do so. We just have to be open to receive what He says.

[Floatingaxe]

And the Holy Spirit reveals to others just the opposite of your interpretation.

How do you know which one, if any, is true?

When you study the whole word of God, you receive the full picture from the beginning to end of a time where the Messiah will reign on Earth. It runs all through the OT and culminates in a description in Revelation. You cannot discount and deny it if you prayerfully seek the Lord about it. He will show you. Unless one asks for the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth about anything, one will often resort to ones own imagination. God considers that evil. There is none but one verse by King David in all of scripture where man's imagination is considered a good thing. Even God recognized the power of man's imagination and was motivated to destroy us due to its power of evil.

Holy Spirit's job is to convince us of the truth of everything, and His convincing is not questionable, as it aligns with everything scripturally.

[jasoncran]

ah but man has a bias and like or not commentaries do help and the pretrb and all ideas came from them not the fully from the bible itself.

no person has it all figured out. i dont.

[jasoncran]

ah but man has a bias and like or not commentaries do help and the pretrb and all ideas came from them not the fully from the bible itself.

no person has it all figured out. i dont.

But the certain Word of God does:

"we. . .will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" (rapture)

Since Jesus "must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore all things" (Ac 3:21)

at the end of time (Ro 8:19-21)

in the new heavens and new earth, the home of righteousness (2Pe 3:13),

where there is no death (Rev 21:1-4),

he won't be leaving heaven to meet the Church in the air (rapture-1Th 4:17)) until the end of time.

but he leaves them jews and gentiles in the trib to the wolves.

but that is why i dont buy any form of the tribs. imagine that three jews come to the lord after the two witness, the ac sees them or knows them and orders them killed

having the tanach or the tanach with brit chadosh they die praising the lord, while singing psalms 122 or the one with the lord shall not sleep nor slumber .. what where they doing? HAVING CHURCH!THE CHURCH THAT is universal and the same on jesus is going to marry. all of the redeemed shall be there.

there arent two ressurections for the dead in christ.

[goldust59]

Eleanor, We have the Holy Spirit to reveal to us what the riddles mean & it is an ongoing process of revelation. I believe that God intends for all His riddles to be understood in His timing & He reveals as it is time to do so.

Do you have any idea why he is revealing opposite meanings of the same Scriptures to so many people?

I really don't know that He is. Maybe the same thing that happened to me is happening to others.

When I first started really hearing, I would get an understanding of something & instantly think I had all the truth about that one thing. I found out along the way that wasn't how it worked most of the time. The Lord seems to like to put pieces together a little at a time.

So I have come to think that may be what is happening in a lot of cases. When a person thinks that they have obtained a certain truth, they tend to stop looking at that area with an open spirit & can miss further revelation. I know, cause I been there, done that. Was quite humbling too!

That's why I try to stay open & will examine other perspectives on things, especially things that appear to be solid but cause a lot of division within the Body.

Let's not forgot that we have an adversary that will take a truth & mix in a lie to cause confusion. The devil DOES NOT want the Body to come into agreement.

We need to agree only on what is necessary to salvation and godliness.

Although I agree that we need to agree on those things, I believe God has a plan for us that He has not fully revealed. I think part of it is to bring us to a fully mature Body without all the division evident today.

I believe only what Scripture states.

here is scripture about the mature Body:

Ephesians 4:11-13~ And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; For the perfecting(equipping) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in(to) the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect(mature) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

14-16~That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive: But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things,which is the Head, even Christ: From Whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

I missed part of your post (#119).

Hidden in the written Word are many, many truths. The further revelation I spoke of was referring to those hidden truths that the Holy Spirit reveals as the time is right for Him to do so. We just have to be open to receive what He says.

Has anything been revealed to you that is not already in the certain Word of God?

If you mean by that, have I seen underlying truths in the Word, then the answer would be yes. There are hidden truths throughout the Word that are not just "plainly" written out. We have to 'search' them out & meditate on the Word & listen to His Spirit & let Him put the pieces together.

[Montana Marv]

Eleanor

You have it all wrong.

Your quote : Since Jesus "must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore all things" (Ac 3:21)

Go back to verse 11. This section of scripture is all about "God" - It is God who must remain in heaven. He, God must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore all things. Then God comes down with the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[goldust59]

Eleanor

You have it all wrong.

Your quote : Since Jesus "must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore all things" (Ac 3:21)

Go back to verse 11. This section of scripture is all about "God" - It is God who must remain in heaven. He, God must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore all things. Then God comes down with the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Well, I'm not Eleanor, but I suggest you read that scripture again & go back to verse 20 where it is plainly speaking of Jesus Christ.

Acts 3:20,21~And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.