Bold Believer Posted March 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted March 26, 2012 The purpose of the "Rapture" has nothing AT ALL to do with rescuing the Church from "the antichrist". The term rapture is a misnomer, the proper term is allasso, which means to exchange one thing for another. This is what happens to living saints at the resurrection. The dead rise first, and then the living believers go through allasso or change (specifically change of the body). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncran Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,246 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2012 i agree given the statements by paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2012 i agree given the statements by paul more info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncran Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,246 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2012 i agree given the statements by paul more info? when he talks about the rapture he first mentions the bodily ressurection of our lord then says we will not all sleep and all will rise when he comes. jesus talks about the last day having one ressurection. for the damned to hell and for the christians to eternalife. i like to take jesus at his word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncran Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,246 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2012 i agree given the statements by paul more info? when he talks about the rapture he first mentions the bodily ressurection of our lord then says we will not all sleep and all will rise when he comes. jesus talks about the last day having one ressurection. for the damned to hell and for the christians to eternalife. i like to take jesus at his word. The rapture is clearly stated in 1Th 4:16-17: Step 1: The Lord himself will come down from heaven Step 2: The dead in Christ will rise first Step 3: We who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. Step 4: And so we will be with the Lord forever. do proper exegesis and tell me what that means to the saved gentile and or jew in the tribulation? and with this john 5 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation one ressurection at the same time for the lost and the saved. john 6 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 The word harpazo simply means to be carried off by force. This occurs on the last day as well. The allasso occurs DURING the harpazo. It may well be the means by which the change is carried out. We know the change occurs on the Last Day. We know that the snatching away occurs when the Lord comes to get us, which is also on the Last Day. So, there is no appreciable difference. Interestingly enough, Jesus is said to be harpazo to the Father's throne in Revelation 12:5, shortly after his birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2012 The rapture will make Israel jealous and turn their attention to Yeshua - the One that they denied and they will once again return to their first Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The rapture will make Israel jealous and turn their attention to Yeshua - the One that they denied and they will once again return to their first Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldust59 Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 989 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 6 Joined: 01/08/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/13/1959 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The rapture will make Israel jealous and turn their attention to Yeshua - the One that they denied and they will once again return to their first Love. Scripture says that salvation coming to the Gentiles is what would provoke Israel to jealousy.(Romans 11:11) Is there scripture to back the statement in your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncran Posted March 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,246 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2012 bee i agree given the statements by paul more info? when he talks about the rapture he first mentions the bodily ressurection of our lord then says we will not all sleep and all will rise when he comes. jesus talks about the last day having one ressurection. for the damned to hell and for the christians to eternalife. i like to take jesus at his word. The rapture is clearly stated in 1Th 4:16-17: Step 1: The Lord himself will come down from heaven Step 2: The dead in Christ will rise first Step 3: We who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. Step 4: And so we will be with the Lord forever. do proper exegesis and tell me what that means to the saved gentile and or jew in the tribulation? I wanna' do improper exegesis! "Tribulation" comes from unfulfilled prophecy, whose private interpretation cannot be certain. God's people have a miserable track record of interpreting prophecy before it is fulfilled. So I don't engage in what is not certain. I stick to what is plain and certain, with the certain knowledge that what is not plain and certain will be in agreement with what is. But what is certain is clearly stated in 1Th 4:16-17. Therefore, one's understanding of the meaning of anything in unfulfilled prophecy (tribulation) whose meaning cannot be certain, must be in agreement with what is certain in 1Th 4:16-17, as it relates to the saved gentile and or jew in the tribulation. and with this -- john 5 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation one ressurection at the same time for the lost and the saved. john 6 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. These are not prophecy. Their meaning is certain. 1) At the end of time, Jesus will descend from heaven with a loud command (Come forth!) -- (Jn 5:28-29), and all that are in their graves shall hear his voice and come forth, the sheep and the goats. 2) Those in the ground who are in Christ will come forth with glorified bodies. (1Th 4:16) 3) Those in Christ who are above the ground will be transformed instantaneously. (1Co 15:52) 4) Then both will rise to meet the Lord in the air (1Th 4:17), 5) and accompany Jesus down to earth (1Th 4:14) in the parousia. beeep, beep. attention earth, the rapture has occured t-minus 6 years 364 days and 59 days till the lord comes. somehow that violates the very idea of know man knoweth the hour. unless you can prove to me that in the tribulation that man isnt a man anymore. the problem is here that either god decieves the new believers in that dont know the raptured happened or that its wrong or they do know? a million plus believers gone in one day will be noticed! ironic, every time i talk this stuff its the futurists who gave the very reason to walk way from it all, none of the preterists or historicsts really convinced me. i tried to really defend it and each time it was some futurist making one of these statements. apparently you arent aware of the barrier tween jew and christian and the fact that jews are jealous of us at times. they wont say it but im sure looking at what we have done with the word and how we live it does get them angry and green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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