Bold Believer Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I was thinking about the Rapture today, and I was wondering how the world news would explain the disappearance of millions of people - when a theory struck me: What if God timed the Rapture at the same moment nations were hit with nuclear or hydrogen bomb/missile attacks? Or is one of the purposes of the Rapture to show the world God does exist, and this is His wake-up call? Disappearance? I dont think she really meant disappearance. she just was referring to us all being caught up in the sky with Jesus. I think No, I meant disappearance. I'm talking about the Rapture here - not the Second Coming. SAME DIFFERENCE. The resurrection and body change for those Believers still alive (what is incorrectly called the Rapture) will both occur on the LAST DAY. There is no secret rapture. That teaching is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,387 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I was thinking about the Rapture today, and I was wondering how the world news would explain the disappearance of millions of people - when a theory struck me: What if God timed the Rapture at the same moment nations were hit with nuclear or hydrogen bomb/missile attacks? Or is one of the purposes of the Rapture to show the world God does exist, and this is His wake-up call? Here are a few of the meditations that will form His Purposes in His 1st partial return: 1 Th 4:13-18 a. All that are In Christ are partakers both those gone on and those alive... b. It is divinely revealed and a indicator of rightly dividing the Word... c. It will comprise A Shout, Call of the arch angel, trumpet call of God! note the Cries of Our Lord: Jn 11:43-44, Mt 27:50-53, 1 Th 4:16 d. The necessary change to body: 1 Co 15:35-56; 2 Co 5:1-5; Php 3:20-21 e. Removing us from earth to clouds as we make the journey the disciples saw Christ make! the speed will be blink of eye but being translated who knows what the supernatural experience will be! 1 Cor 15:52 f. The eternal union arrived 100% realized in all facets of being... g. The comfort the meditations bring to this place of shadows... Bible resolve must identify placement of these truths! Jn 14:1-3; 1 Co 15:50-57; and 1 Th 4:13-18 as these all deal with deaths lack of presence or absence! h. Revelation's silence of the Church after mentioning Church 19 times Rev 1-3 then again Rev 22:16 What restrains? 2 Thes 2:6 a And now you know what is restraining NKJV i. Divine Wrath then comes on the rebelling world (we are here but not rebelling as we agree with His Word)... then where does this deliverance then fit 1 Th 1:9-10; 5:9; Rv 3:10 j. His love for Abraham and deliverance of Lot must be considered when Divine judgment is in place so as not to make God a respecter of persons as the whole world becomes Sodom and the church sets at the gates grieving... k. The 24 elders: Rv 4:4,10; 5:5,6,8,11,14; 7:11,13; 11:16; 14:3; 19:4 l. We are to be obedient to God in all the writing of His Word so these the final meditations: 1 Co 1:7; 16:22; Php 3:20; 4:5; 1 Th 1:9-10; Tit 2:13; Heb 9:28; Jude 21 Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Chicken Chrisitians want to be "raptured out of here" because they are weak and gutless with No Glory. That was an incredibly hurtful thing to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myriad Force Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 14, 2012 Chicken Chrisitians want to be "raptured out of here" because they are weak and gutless with No Glory. That was an incredibly hurtful thing to say! The Truth is hurtful to many who are at Ease In Zion (Amos 6:2). When Jesus called the Pharisees "snakes and vipers and of their father the Devil" - you can imagine all the people that said, Jesus, where is your love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myriad Force Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 14, 2012 Face it folks. The so called Rapture is a lie and "cunningly devised fable". It is based in a Natural,Carnal, and Unspiritual Interpretation of the Word of God. Chicken Chrisitians want to be "raptured out of here" because they are weak and gutless with No Glory. The satanic interpretation of being "caught up" has lulled christians into lukewarmness, causing them not to be a flaming House of Prayer. Back when I was brainwashed with the false interpretation of I Thess 4, I always thought, I don't want to be raptured, I want to stay on Earth and cast the devil out of the AntiChrist. Oh, the Anti-Christ, ever notice that those trying to teach on the Anti-Christ, virtually never teach from I and II John, where the word Anti-Christ is used? It would incinerate their False Doctrines of the Anti-Christ. You obviously have never read or understood the Holy Bible! Your severely distorted view is hilarious the term "caught up" came from the original Greek text of I Thessalonians 4:17 is Harpazo Harpazo definition: to seize, carry off by force to seize on, to snatch out or away In the Latin translation the word Rapiemur is used Rapiemur is derived from the root verb rapio, which means to carry off or to seize someone or something. The English words “rapt” and “rapture” stem from this Latin verb. Therefore, the English term “rapture” was appropriately borrowed from the Latin Vulgate as a description of what will happen at that moment based on I Thessalonians 4:17. The Greek term for “suddenly caught up” is harpazo, which means to seize or snatch up something suddenly with great force without the consent of the owner. The specific usage of the verb in I Thessalonians 4:17 is harpagesometha, the future passive indicative tense. Compare the transliterated Greek to the English translation below: I The 4:17 epeita hemeis oi zontes hoi perileipomenoi hama sun autois harpagesometha [suddenly caught up] en nephelais eis apantesin tou kuriou eis aera kai houtos pantote sun kurio esometha I The 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up [harpagesometha] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:52 (NIV) 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The word “moment” is from ATOMUS in the Greek and it is the smallest conceivable quantity, the smallest division of time ;it can’t be cut or divided any smaller! When the physical body dies the spirit separates from the body and goes to be with the Lord in heaven , it happens so very fast, the human eye cannot see it happen , nor can the human eye see the action of the reuniting of the body with the spirit , the rapture begins with the spirits of those in heaven who have already died in Christ to be reunited with their new immortal incorruptible body that raise from the grave , it happens so fast that the human eye cannot see it happen , then we which are alive are translated/Changed and receive a new immortal, incorruptible body as we are 'caught up" to be with the Lord IN the AIR..... The term antichrist is a term used to identify what scripture calls The Son of Perdition , The Man of Sin and several scriptures describe the man is detail that clarify that he is satan incarnate in human man who Jesus throws alive into the lake of fire you need a great deal of study before you will understand this topic your understanding is really comical Gosh, is it possible that the Man of Lawlessness that sits in the Temple that you are, is the Old Man, that we are told to "put off:, and "put on the New Man" - Yes or No? Your laughter is a nervous defense-mechanism of the flesh. This is making me hungry for some Milk & Oreos - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,387 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 14, 2012 1 Corinthians 15:52 (NIV) 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The word “moment” is from ATOMUS in the Greek and it is the smallest conceivable quantity, the smallest division of time ;it can’t be cut or divided any smaller! When the physical body dies the spirit separates from the body and goes to be with the Lord in heaven , it happens so very fast, the human eye cannot see it happen , nor can the human eye see the action of the reuniting of the body with the spirit , the rapture begins with the spirits of those in heaven who have already died in Christ to be reunited with their new immortal incorruptible body that raise from the grave , it happens so fast that the human eye cannot see it happen , then we which are alive are translated/Changed and receive a new immortal, incorruptible body as we are 'caught up" to be with the Lord IN the AIR..... I don't know if you have considered this but from the natural view point of experience yes ... however we know infinite realities are opened on all directives therefore in micro as well as macro boundless continuance exist Therefore eternity is unaffected by our meters of finite frailty... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,387 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Gosh, is it possible that the Man of Lawlessness that sits in the Temple that you are, is the Old Man, that we are told to "put off:, and "put on the New Man" - Yes or No? Your laughter is a nervous defense-mechanism of the flesh. This is making me hungry for some Milk & Oreos - You cannot answer this with your milk 1 Th 5:11 11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing. NKJV You must have heart of love to desire this! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myriad Force Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 14, 2012 Well, I am not debating the "proof" of pre Trib here. My hope is that a Mod removes our cooking eating rule breaker. Mike. Can't you handle someone challenging your view of Scripture? This is nothing new, I frequent these type of forums from Time to Time. They are dead and rife with Dead Works (Hebrews 6:1-2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,387 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Well, I am not debating the "proof" of pre Trib here. My hope is that a Mod removes our cooking eating rule breaker. Mike. Can't you handle someone challenging your view of Scripture? This is nothing new, I frequent these type of forums from Time to Time. They are dead and rife with Dead Works (Hebrews 6:1-2). I believe you have ignored some passages of Scripture to overly express others and that should be an alarm in your own heart! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myriad Force Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 14, 2012 Well, I am not debating the "proof" of pre Trib here. My hope is that a Mod removes our cooking eating rule breaker. Mike. Can't you handle someone challenging your view of Scripture? This is nothing new, I frequent these type of forums from Time to Time. They are dead and rife with Dead Works (Hebrews 6:1-2). I believe you have ignored some passages of Scripture to overly express others and that should be an alarm in your own heart! Love, Steven Let's not be abstract, isolate the exact scripture you are speaking of, Jesus is in the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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