OldShep Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 6 Joined: 07/20/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/12/1950 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Not offended damo just pointing out the obvious. Gdemoss, a 45 acp with a 15 round mag is just as safe as a 38 with 6. Point 1. Point two guns arent just crime deterrants theyre corrupt government deterrents, without them theres not much stopping anyone from bringing those mass graves here. Point 3 you should double check you ballistics-a 38 special will certainly kill a man if you hit them in the right spot-but it wont take a man off his feet. And if our government falls and we face invasion, then your going to want large mags and rounds powerful enough to penetrate body armor. Hmmm, my service weapon was a 38 special, loaded with 158 gain Jacketed Hollow Point, it had no problem stopping a prep and knocking him down with a well placed shot center chest. Only ran into one problem with a man strung out on Angel dust... The proper use of a fire arm is more important then the size of the round your firing down range. Practice, practice and more practice is needed to be able to hit your target in an area to bring it down. The 38 is a good size for self defense and is much easier to use then it's bigger brother the 357... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 18, 2012 out of 209 reporting countries, the US is tied for 109th for murder rate per year. Can you get figures that separate out drug and gang wars vs. everything else.? Why? Don't those count How many "guns on the street" are legally obtained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,718 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Im going to throw this out here, comparing us to japan, is a false argument. Japans low murder rate has nothing to do with the fact it doesnt allow guns-sure, they dont allow them, but if thats ALL you look at, you have a pretty narrow view. Japans low murder rate has more to do with its immigration laws then the amount of guns it has on the streets. So maybe, we should actually do something about immigration, and not guns. http://frontpagemag....ts-gun-control/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 @RunningGator Nice cherry picking of the evidence. 2 states, c'mon. Include the top ten for homicides, then lets talk. Im going to throw this out here, comparing us to japan, is a false argument. Japans low murder rate has nothing to do with the fact it doesnt allow guns-sure, they dont allow them, but if thats ALL you look at, you have a pretty narrow view. Japans low murder rate has more to do with its immigration laws then the amount of guns it has on the streets. So maybe, we should actually do something about immigration, and not guns. http://frontpagemag....ts-gun-control/ again, I was not comparing the two, I was giving an example of a gun control system that works, something that was said not to Wrong, you cherry pick, and completely ignore what was said about Japan's culture. Fail. What exactly is your "common sense" approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2012 A few reminders from the WCF ToS. Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18) Please proceed with this in mind. God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Firearm homicide rate as a percentage of population: http://www.gunpolicy...e/41,26,113,194 As you can see, the US ranks very low on this list. so, we rank below such places as Columbia and Brazil and that is good enough? this this and see how we rank against similar countries... http://www.gunpolicy...1,128,192,10,31 http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/166/rate_of_gun_homicide/41,26,113,194 Here's gun related homicide as a percentage of population. We are at 3. The worst country is 10 times that. Please put that in perspective. 3 out of 100,000 Americans are murdered with a gun each year. If you take out drug and gang violence, you can guarantee that it will be even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 A specious argument. You ignore the fact that Japan is an Island, with a xenophobic population, and a very different culture than America's. There is no comparison to be made here. America has guns. you're not going to stop that. Answer me this- does prohibition work? Consider that for your position. This case is about metal illness, not guns. The evil, and the lunatics care not one whit for your laws, they will only serve to disarm innocent people who will be victims of those who will ignore your illogical approach to this problem, of evil, not guns. Why do all the states with severe gun control laws have such horrific gun violence? What do you propose is the solution then? Our homicide rate has more to do with gang and drug related violence than anything else. Find a way to solve that and you solve the gun violence problem. But, we can't do that, as we are continuing down the road to chaos, by trying to legalize drug use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Another example of promoting chaos, and promoting a larger government solution to the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://www.gunpolicy...e_any_method/91 Japanese are more suicidal than Americans, care to explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 19, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 19, 2012 How many "guns on the street" are legally obtained? dont know. what is the point? The argument that gun control is needed to stop gun-caused homicides is pointless for the statistical part where the gun used was illegally obtained. Also, pushing gun legislation on average citizens on account of statistics that include gang and drug-related fighting won't improve the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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