Fez Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted July 17, 2013 JT a question for you - Is it therefore Ok for a politician, or a President to lie to the people that elected him/her for the "common good" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,257 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,675 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 Perhaps Jesus changed His mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 JT a question for you - Is it therefore Ok for a politician, or a President to lie to the people that elected him/her for the "common good" ? I am not sure who JT is, but I assume this is directed at me. And I would say no, that is a lie for personal gain, to get elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 545 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 116 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2013 Without a doubt I know the Lord Jesus cannot be deceptive /lie or any such thing...He is without sin. There are many things in Scripture we don't understand or can fully grasp as this scripture tells us in 1 Cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. remember as well that the Lord says : Isaiah 55 8-9 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted July 18, 2013 JT a question for you - Is it therefore Ok for a politician, or a President to lie to the people that elected him/her for the "common good" ? I am not sure who JT is, but I assume this is directed at me. And I would say no, that is a lie for personal gain, to get elected. Sorry yes it was for you, I will get my names straight in future. So "we have evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq", is unacceptable then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Without a doubt I know the Lord Jesus cannot be deceptive /lie or any such thing...He is without sin. There are many things in Scripture we don't understand or can fully grasp as this scripture tells us in 1 Cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. remember as well that the Lord says : Isaiah 55 8-9 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. I do agree that He is without sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chance Posted July 23, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2013 From John 7... After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. 2 Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand. 3 So his brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For not even his brothers believed in him. 6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. 8 You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee. 10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private. My question is, did Jesus purposefully deceive his brothers about his intent on going to the Feast? Jesus has never deceived anyone and never will.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 23, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 From John 7... After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. 2 Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand. 3 So his brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For not even his brothers believed in him. 6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. 8 You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee. 10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private. My question is, did Jesus purposefully deceive his brothers about his intent on going to the Feast? Jesus has never deceived anyone and never will.lol Why not? God used deception at times in the OT to accomplish His goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chance Posted July 23, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Here I am again. Let's keep apples with apples and grapes with grapes. The question is:Did JESUS deceive anyone? No. Now God and Jesus are seperate in this matter. Jesus didn't do everything that God did. We seem to be mixing things up. The question is from the New testament and people are anwering from the old. Remember, you can not mix the old with the new in some questions and answers. Edited July 23, 2013 by chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 23, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 Here I am again. Let's keep apples with apples and grapes with grapes. The question is:Did JESUS deceive anyone? No. Now God and Jesus are seperate in this matter. Jesus didn't do everything that God did. We seem to be mixing things up. The question is from the New testament and people are anwering from the old. Remember, you can not mix the old with the new in some questions and answers. This does not answer the question why Jesus would never deceive anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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