Budman Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 407 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/09/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 Excellent post, Trinity. I agree wholeheartedly. It would seem that the majority of the body is concerned with preserving their own earthly lives, rather than bringing others to the light of Christ. Brethren, if, by not fighting, or by laying down your life, a single soul comes to Christ, it is well worth it. But we seem so concerned with cutting life short, and eliminating that oh-so-short chance for salvation. Brethren, if 100 or even 1000 of us must die so that a single soul may see the light, the peace and the joy of Christ, what of it? Let go of your lives, they belong to God now. Here is an article by Carlo Stagnaro that you may find interesting: In reality, while inviting people to love and mercy, Jesus never said that individuals have no right to defend themselves. Even less did he say they should not defend their feebler brothers when such are in danger. A person might decide to offer no resistance to aggression if he risks only his own life, but he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted November 24, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted November 24, 2004 M445......etc: By moral relativism I meant exactly the sort of truncated morality betrayed in your statement that the Koran "...has ITS SHARE of violent passages, but the Bible is not free..." from them either. No person who has read both, and is possessed of equanimity could possibly make such a ludicrous statement. THAT'S 'RELATIVISM' and YOU are its definition, evidently. Bgfrmmllbg bnmf hgmmmbg gm ngbrfrgbmmn!! Gbr frmnjllbfrgfm!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M45510G1C Posted November 24, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 24, 2004 (edited) M445......etc: By moral relativism I meant exactly the sort of truncated morality betrayed in your statement that the Koran "...has ITS SHARE of violent passages, but the Bible is not free..." from them either. No person who has read both, and is possessed of equanimity could possibly make such a ludicrous statement. THAT'S 'RELATIVISM' and YOU are its definition, evidently. Bgfrmmllbg bnmf hgmmmbg gm ngbrfrgbmmn!! Gbr frmnjllbfrgfm!!!   <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm afraid you are incorrect, my statement was not relativist in the least. You are confusing buzzwords, brother. Moral relativism is a view that claims moral standards are not absolute or universal, but rather emerge from social customs and other sources. Relativists consequently see moral values as applicable only within agreed or accepted cultural boundaries Protagoras' notion that "man is the measure of all things" may be seen as an early philosophical precursor to relativism. Moral relativists hold that an unsharable, personal, and aesthetic moral core lies at the foundation of personal choices. They deny the possibility of sharing morality at all, except by convention. A simple way to express this view is that "everyone draws their own moral from the same story" and behaves according to their own impression, acceptance, or rejection of it. That being said, please explain to me how my statement quialifies as relativist. And how is my statement ludicrous? I said that both the Quran and the Bible have violent passages. This is an obvious truth. The nature of those passages does differ between the two books, however. The fact that I am not a Muslim but a Christian should be enough to understand that I do not believe the two books to be equal. Edited November 24, 2004 by M45510G1C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M45510G1C Posted November 24, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 24, 2004 Jesus says love is better than hatred, and that vengeance can never be the solution. On the other hand, He doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yleismauste Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but . . . almost all terrorists are Muslims" What about the radical Christians and Catholics that bomb aborition clinics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted December 1, 2004 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Yleismauste, This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it if you dislike it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but . . . almost all terrorists are Muslims" What about the radical Christians and Catholics that bomb aborition clinics? Very eloquently said. I agree completely. I'm not sure christians would appreciate if people said: " Not all christians are terrorists, but . . . almost all abortion clinic bombers are christians" Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you. Regards, UndecidedFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yleismauste Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Yleismauste, This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it if you dislike it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but . . . almost all terrorists are Muslims" What about the radical Christians and Catholics that bomb aborition clinics? Very eloquently said. I agree completely. I'm not sure christians would appreciate if people said: " Not all christians are terrorists, but . . . almost all abortion clinic bombers are christians" Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you. Regards, UndecidedFrog <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks for your response to that.. I've read some of the things you have written on other boards and I like your honesty dispite some of the objection you face. Yleismauste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yleismauste Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Any radical Idea is a bad one be it, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted December 1, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Quite right, Undecided! All three (3) abortuary bombers in the last 30 years have been (or considered themselves to be) Christians. Gee! Three (3...count 'em 3) in the last 30 years; and all ROUNDLY condemned and universally by Christians in America. The comparison to what is going on in the Muslim world, reveals a very different outlook on life there, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted December 1, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,111 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2004 Any radical Idea is a bad one be it, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu etc Tell that to Jesus, who was quite the radical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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