Porque77 Posted October 1, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) Which is the Law of God? The Old Testament? The New Testament? Or the Gospel?... The Law of God taught by Jesus Christ "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12) What God wants is the mercy "If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7) Jesus speaks to the pharisees about the Law When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had left the Sadducees speechless, they met together. One of them, a legal expert, tested him. Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? He replied, “You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your being, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You must love your neighbor as you love yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands” (Matthew 22:34-40) Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law "And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19:16-22) These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery. So what is the law that the Christians must follow? Edited October 1, 2013 by Porque77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 1, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.98 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted October 1, 2013 So what is the law that the Christians must follow? Love. If you have not love...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porque77 Posted October 1, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 So what is the law that the Christians must follow? Love. If you have not love...... Hello fez. You say love, but what kind of love? ... Love for Old Testament laws? Love for the commandments of Paul's letters? Or love for the commandments of the gospel? What is what Jesus commanded us to preach?I think the love that you refer to is the Gospel, Because the Old Testament laws are different. Moreover, Paul's letters speak of the law, but are sometimes not easy to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Romans 13 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Mark 12 28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, "Which is the first commandment of all?" 29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted October 2, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 545 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 116 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 2, 2013 The law is written on our hearts. 2 Cor 3 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? Or do we need, as some others, epistles of commendation to you or letters of commendation from you? 2 You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart. Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porque77 Posted October 2, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Jesus spoke of the law too. He said that he didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Hello, Butero. Jesus did not say that the entire Old Testament law is still in force . I do not see it in the Gospel. What he said is that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. But what law is this ? ... As I understand the law and the prophets what Jesus Christ referred to, is not the laws of the Old Testament that command : "eye for eye , tooth for tooth " ; burning to daughters who's were not virgins at marriage; be stoned to death disobedient children , women accused of adultery , men collecting firewood Sabbath; precepts that sent to war and kill men , women and children of the conquered peoples ... etc. With respect, I believe that these laws were abolished by Jesus Christ himself , and now no longer apply , as we see in Matthew 5:21-48 , John 8:1-13 and other parts of the Gospel. So which is the Law that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ? I think the law that Jesus did not come to abolish is the Law which He Himself taught in the Gospel , because Jesus Christ tells us that the Law and the prophets is this:"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you , do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." ( Matthew 7:12 ) Therefore, I believe that this is the law that God gave Moses, because Jesus himself says that " this is the law and the prophets." So, I think this is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ( "Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets " ) . And this law is the law which not passed " not one jot or tittle ", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel. So I think that this is the Law that God had given to Moses in the beginning. I see that the Law of the Gospel is very different from the Old Testament commandments mandating that men hurt and kill other men. I see that these commandments are contrary to the law of the Gospel, are not the law and the prophets whom Jesus was referring . So what you find is that in the scriptures there are two different laws : - One is the law of the Old Testament ... - And the other is the Law as taught by Jesus Christ. The first law was a law very hard, and the second is merciful . Some say, that the two laws were two different laws for two different times, but the problem that comes to me and what I like to clarify is that the prophets tell us that the law is and forever :" Faithful are all His commandments , They stand fast for ever and ever , done in truth and uprightness. Sent redemption to his people, for ever he has commanded his covenant " (Psalm 111.7-9 ) " From your decrees I have known for some time that has established forever " (Psalm 119 ( 118 ) , 152) . If God said his commandments are forever , how is that in the scriptures there are two different laws ? This is my preocuación . I await your answers. Edited October 2, 2013 by Porque77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qnts2 Posted October 3, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,875 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 1,336 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/13/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 3, 2013 Jesus spoke of the law too. He said that he didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Hello, Butero. Jesus did not say that the entire Old Testament law is still in force . I do not see it in the Gospel. What he said is that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. But what law is this ? ... As I understand the law and the prophets what Jesus Christ referred to, is not the laws of the Old Testament that command : "eye for eye , tooth for tooth " ; burning to daughters who's were not virgins at marriage; be stoned to death disobedient children , women accused of adultery , men collecting firewood Sabbath; precepts that sent to war and kill men , women and children of the conquered peoples ... etc. With respect, I believe that these laws were abolished by Jesus Christ himself , and now no longer apply , as we see in Matthew 5:21-48 , John 8:1-13 and other parts of the Gospel. So which is the Law that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ? I think the law that Jesus did not come to abolish is the Law which He Himself taught in the Gospel , because Jesus Christ tells us that the Law and the prophets is this:"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you , do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." ( Matthew 7:12 ) Therefore, I believe that this is the law that God gave Moses, because Jesus himself says that " this is the law and the prophets." So, I think this is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ( "Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets " ) . And this law is the law which not passed " not one jot or tittle ", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel. So I think that this is the Law that God had given to Moses in the beginning. I see that the Law of the Gospel is very different from the Old Testament commandments mandating that men hurt and kill other men. I see that these commandments are contrary to the law of the Gospel, are not the law and the prophets whom Jesus was referring . So what you find is that in the scriptures there are two different laws : - One is the law of the Old Testament ... - And the other is the Law as taught by Jesus Christ. The first law was a law very hard, and the second is merciful . Some say, that the two laws were two different laws for two different times, but the problem that comes to me and what I like to clarify is that the prophets tell us that the law is and forever :" Faithful are all His commandments , They stand fast for ever and ever , done in truth and uprightness. Sent redemption to his people, for ever he has commanded his covenant " (Psalm 111.7-9 ) " From your decrees I have known for some time that has established forever " (Psalm 119 ( 118 ) , 152) . If God said his commandments are forever , how is that in the scriptures there are two different laws ? This is my preocuación . I await your answers. Some of the so called commands/law you right isn't in the OT, and some of it you have misunderstood. There are multiple covenants in the bible. The covenant given to Adam was different then the covenant given to Noah, or the covenant given to the children of Israel thru Moses, and the covenant given thru Jesus. Each covenant had certain parameters, some of which are called laws. The New Covenant thru Jesus is not the same covenant as the covenant by God thru Moses. Now, this is the issue I have. The Mosaic covenant was given by God thru Moses. These were laws given by God. You seem to be calling the laws given by God as bad, but the laws given by God are good. You are not obligated to the Mosaic covenant unless you are a child of Israel, but to call what God gives bad, is a serious issue. What scripture says about the OT Mosaic law: Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 3, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.98 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted October 3, 2013 What man posted from the scripture in #4 and #5. It is really very simple. That scripture answers your original question in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 So what you find is that in the scriptures there are two different laws : - One is the law of the Old Testament ... - And the other is the Law as taught by Jesus Christ. The first law was a law very hard, and the second is merciful . Some say, that the two laws were two different laws for two different times, but the problem that comes to me and what I like to clarify is that the prophets tell us that the law is and forever : <snip> If God said his commandments are forever , how is that in the scriptures there are two different laws ? This is my preocuación . I await your answers. Do you know what the New and Old Covenants are? - One is the law of the Old Testament ... The Old Covenant..........................................physical. - And the other is the Law as taught by Jesus Christ. The New Covenant......................................spiritual. I know that's about as clear as mud but it's a starting point. Understanding what the old and new covenants are will give you a better understanding of the old and new testament laws. They are the same laws, but the way they are put into practice is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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