One With Him Posted November 25, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/18/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1971 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Proverbs 3: 9-10 Honor the Lord with your wealth and the first fruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine. KJV Proverbs 3: 9-10 Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the first fruits of all your crops; (v.10) then your barns will be filled to overflowing and your vats will brim over the new wine. NIV There are around 72 other verses in the Bible referring to First Fruits, or to use an older term Tithing. Paying Tithes to God has been around since the fall of man. Cain killed Able because his offering wasn’t accepted by God and Able’s was. Able gave because he wanting too. Cain gave because he had to. Able chose the best of what he had for God and Cain just picked something but saved the best for himself. Tithing or paying Tithes is not in question. It is a sound doctrine laid down by God since the beginning of time and it endures to this day. However First Fruits is a term that is fairly new. Churches over the past few years have started using “First Fruits” as appose to “Tithing” I believe because it sounds more modern and Tithes sound old fashioned. I have 2 questions: Question 1 When is the First Fruits teaching taken too far? Paula White has said and is not shy about asking people to send her an entire year’s salary once every 10 years. She will ask you to send her a weeks salary every month and so on. All of this with the promise that God will give the money back to you in spades. Question 2 Churches need funds to operate and to pay the bills. However In the First Fruits message or tithing I never hear anyone talk about tithing your time. After all everyday is an increase is it not? So why do you suppose the churches don’t promote this doctrine as well as the one’s that help them pay the bills? I look forward to hearing your thought on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted November 25, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted November 25, 2013 First of all, Paula White isn't the pastor of a church. Tithes are to be brought into the storehouse of the Lord that there may be food in His house (Malachi 3v10); the bread is for those who live in that house . Not to one individual. So we all share of that which is stored up; we bring to share. Secondly, if God really did tell Paula White to collect money in this manner, how is she using it in her ministry? Is she feeding and clothing the poor, for instance? What has God told her to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One With Him Posted November 25, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/18/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1971 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) First of all, Paula White isn't the pastor of a church. Tithes are to be brought into the storehouse of the Lord that there may be food in His house (Malachi 3v10); the bread is for those who live in that house . Not to one individual. So we all share of that which is stored up; we bring to share. Secondly, if God really did tell Paula White to collect money in this manner, how is she using it in her ministry? Is she feeding and clothing the poor, for instance? What has God told her to do with it? I never said Paula White was a pastor. Second it just feels like a money grab. When the women brought the oil and washed Christ with it the 12 got upset and said she should have sold it and given the money to the poor. If i want to give tithes to the local homeless shelter instead of a mega (millionare) paster, teacher, tel-a-watever. what is wrong with that. Third if all this people who have their hand out really care about your soul why don't they tell you to tithe your time? Edited November 25, 2013 by One With Him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted November 25, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted November 25, 2013 1. Ok... I agree??? I wasn't being argumentative, it's just that you mentioned Paula White taking tithes from people, which I don't think biblically she's allowed to do... 2. Malachi 3 talks about tithes going into the Lord's storehouse that there may be food in His house. I didn't say it but the Bible does 3. Do give an offering to the poor, I'm sure the Lord would be delighted! 4. I also agree that tithing doesn't have to be money - in fact it just has to represent 10% of your income; that's why in the old testament they would tithe animals and herbs and stuff. If by using our time we bring food into the storehouse - all good I was just trying to present my thoughts in an orderly fashion, let's not argue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One With Him Posted November 25, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/18/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1971 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 1. Ok... I agree??? I wasn't being argumentative, it's just that you mentioned Paula White taking tithes from people, which I don't think biblically she's allowed to do... 2. Malachi 3 talks about tithes going into the Lord's storehouse that there may be food in His house. I didn't say it but the Bible does 3. Do give an offering to the poor, I'm sure the Lord would be delighted! 4. I also agree that tithing doesn't have to be money - in fact it just has to represent 10% of your income; that's why in the old testament they would tithe animals and herbs and stuff. If by using our time we bring food into the storehouse - all good I was just trying to present my thoughts in an orderly fashion, let's not argue No worries, your fine. I know there are some that for what ever reason watch her and other preachers on TV and they need money to opperate. It's always about the money. Doesn't seem like you get to many churches preaching about tithing your time. I brought it up to a Bishop in my former church and he said, "it's a great idea but less not make it a doctrine!" I was in disbeliefe. The reason I brought Paula White into it, was because I was flipping channels one day and ran across her show while she was trying to get people to send their money to her and she was using the First Fruits message. I have been hearing it more and more as of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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