Can every Believer be rich/blessed/favored/speak-in-tongues/be healed?

[Guest shiloh357]

Actually Shiloh, I am not parroting anyone or anything. I am not writing off of a teleprompter here. Much of this is originally inspired as I write it. You also speak of "Word of Faith" like it's something people mindlessly follow hoping to get rich, that is a ridiculous assertion - the whole point of Word of Faith is to learn how to stand on the Word of God in the manner which Paul describes in

I use the word "parrot" to indicate that you are using the same verbiage that I heard when I lived in Tulsa.  You are saying the same exact things I heard Rhema and ORU Students say when I worked around them.

 

As for the Word of Faith movement...  it is almost entirely fixated on material prosperity and justifying the lust for wealth.  Kenneth Copeland in his book entitled, "Laws of Prosperity" claims that, "God will make you as rich as Solomon if you have the faith."   I have seen them on TV, K. Copeland, K. Hagin Jr., Rod Parsley, TD Jakes, Fred Price, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis etc.  They are almost always fixated on material prospertiy.  That is their gospel and it is a false gospel. It's a false gospel because you don't have to be saved to want to be wealthy, have a bigger house, a better car, fine clothes, etc.  None of the stuff that the prosperity gospel espouses is anything that the average sinner would not want.  In fact, all of it is achievable without having to be a Christian.

 

 

Where is your biblical authority for "moderation" is my point? There is nothing in the Bible that speaks of moderation with money. It is prosperity or poverty, blessing or curse. It's the choice of every Believer which direction he/she wishes to go forward in. But there is no middle ground. Just as with your body, it is either doing things that encourage the cells to live and prosper or degenerate and die. There is no staying the same, whether you can see it or not; the body goes up or down. Finances go up or down, relationships go up or down, businesses go up or down, etc. Everything goes toward life or toward death.

 

 

Another way of expressing moderation is self-control.  Being able to moderate how much you eat, how money much you spend, how much time you waste in front of the TV and so on.   The minister of the Gospel needs to be conscious of how he appears in public particularly when he is living off of the financial donations of others who are not obligated to give to his ministry.  It is one thing to have enough money to meet one's needs and provide for a reasonably comfortable life.  It is another thing to live in opulance,  to dine in five star restauraunts and spend thousands a week on lavish motel suites and feeling like you need private jets and need to drive a Bentley or a Porsche.   A minsiter of the Gospel should live a modest and moderate life, particularly when his donors are often people living on fixed and low incomes and are giving sacrficially under the impression that their money is going for the gospel and not simply lining the pockets of a greedy hireling who is only in this for the money.

 

 

The problem with stating a "moderate" approach on finances is this: HOW MUCH is moderate? According to whom? Who determines how much you can have, or when it's too much? When other people determine you have too much and we need to take what you have and give it to those who have less than you it's called SOCIALISM. Socialism does not, has not, will not, can not ever work, and anything other than pure prosperity according to the level you have let your faith be developed is not going to work.

 

No, we are not talking about socialism.  Socialism is government mandated redistribution of wealth. Moderation is self-imposed.  It is not a case of setting a dollar amount as being "too much money."   Rather it is a self-imposed limitation.   Billy Graham's ministry brought in millions a year.   But he had a board of directors that gave him a set salary.  The rest of the money went to the ministry.  His salary was modest and he has never had a million dollars in his life, but he had a modest home in the mountains of North Carolina.  He didn't live with rags on his back, but he didn't live in the kind of opulance that Word of Faith peopple are conned into thinking is appropriate for preachers.   He is a good example of Christian who lived his life in moderation.  

 

 

That you feel that it has to be either to one extreme or the other, feast or famine, extravagance or abject poverty shows just how much you have been improperly influenced by the Word of Faith movement.

 

 

Again, God never calls you to "moderate" finances, He calls you to be rich. It's your choice if you want to answer that call, but it's on every Believer. I was once homeless, now I am blessed, prosperous - standing on the Word and receiving and learning how to use the Scriptures and get what God has promised me according to Galatians 3:29. His Word works, if you'll work it. I am living proof. What I have has come by God's hand, not by any man. Just like Abraham.

 

The fact is that God has not called anyone to be rich.  God regulates the behavior of rich people, but there is no "call" anywhere in the Bible for someone to be rich.

 

As for Galatians 3:29, you still have not caught on to the fact that the promise mentioned in that verse has NOTHING to do with prosperity.  It is has to do with the promise made to Abraham that he would be the father of many nations.  You simply and blindly parrot terminology and you are not paying attention to what the Bible actually says those words mean.  There is blessing of prosperity anywhere in Galatians three.  That doesn't even fit the context of the chapter or of the book itself.   Paul is dealing with Judaizing heresy in that church.  He is not addressing the issue of poverty.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

The whole point of this thread can be summed up in this:

 

ALL OF GOD'S PROMISES ARE UP TO YOU.

 

There is a difference between LEGAL inheritance and VITAL inheritance. If you legally inherit a car, you own that thing. It belongs to you. BUT, until you TAKE POSSESSION of it, it does nothing for you.

 

Look over at Joshua 15-17 for a great picture of the Church today and throughout the ages. Only a small portion (Judah) takes their inheritance seriously and gets all of it and gets so much that they can bless others with some of it. 4 other tribes take their inheritance, they possess it, but 7, SEVEN OUT OF TWELVE of the tribes have to get a visit from Joshua where he says, how long will YOU (not God) be slack to possess your inheritance which God HAS GIVEN (past tense) you?

Hebrews 4 also warns about not inheriting all that has been given to you already LEGALLY through Jesus' death and resurrection (healing, prosperity, the blessing, favor, gifts of the Spirit, tongues, fruits of the Spirit, etc), but rather is telling you to TAKE the promiseS through faith AND patience.

 

This is the Church today. Satan has made up many wonderful lies (which are fences really) to keep Believers from knowing about/possessing what is theirs in their inheritance (as Jesus told Paul, tell My people about the forgiveness of sins AND their inheritance).

 

So, to sum up, NONE of the promises are automatic, starting with salvation (you TOOK it with your faith - how else do you KNOW your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life), not a one. YOU as the BELIEVER (we're called to believe what God says, whether it fits with a particular church's doctrine or not) must take it.

The best illustration would be like I said, here, have a $100 bill, and I held out my hand to you with it in my hand. You say, okay. But it's still sitting in my hand until you TAKE it out of my hand. Then there's a waiting period where you have to get into position to use it....like ordering something online....

 

The real test of whether you believe it or not is the JOY you have over it. If you really believe it like a little child, there will be joy. And remember, it is JESUS' faith you have. For at the new birth EVERY man was dealt THE measure of faith (not A measure, THE), and then you have to let him finish it (which is a reference to wood-working, like making a piano from a giant log to where it is the finished product and makes music beautifully).

 

Anyway, I know this is helping some people on here. God bless you all! Love you!

 

The problem Rodain, is that you are delcaring promises that God has not made.  God has never promised that each of us is suppposed to be wealthy.   You know why? Because for some people wealth is not a blessing.  Wealth is a curse.  There are people who inherit huge sums of money sometimes in the millions and it destroys them.  God would not make millionaires out of everyone because many people can't handle that kind of money.   Look at what wealth and prosperity does to people; you see it in the news all of the time. Wealth has destroyed ministries in the past because we as humans are not hardwired to handle wealth and fame.

 

But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

1Ti 6:6-9

 

 

He has never promised or indicated that we would not suffer, but he has promised that he would bless those who suffer for his sake (Matt. 5).   God has never claimed that He is anyway obligated to us.   He is not in covenant with us.  He has no covenant obligation to us.  

 

The promises of God do not depend on us.  They depend on God and God alone.  He is sovereign and does as He pleases.   His promises are rooted not in our faith, but in His faithfulness.   He keeps His promises to bring glory and honor to himself, not to make us rich.  

 

Jesus didn't die on the cross so you could have a bigger hous, or a fancier car, or fatter investment portfolio.  Jesus didn't die so that you would have better behaved kids.  There is nothing intrinsically wrong with having those things but Jesus didn't die to satisfy your carnal lusts.   Everything I receive from the Lord is a gift of His grace.  It is a gift He gives not because He has to, but because He loves me and it isn't always at times when I have faith.  

 

God doesn't bless me because I am good; He blesses me because He is good.

[NeedYouLord]

Much much love to ya'll,

 

Getting real simple as to what I have experienced...in answer to the Original Poster...I think that's what (OP) stands for...I do not like abbreviations, especially the ones I don't know what they mean...Hahaha

 

Are all things possible?

 

"For with God nothing will be impossible." Luke 1:37

 

For me that sums it all up...It's real simple...That's what I have lived...that's what I believe...

 

I agree...We are, as believers, on the same road...Just in different places along the way...Every word out of my mouth or mind has been "place", "places" the last 2 days...Whew...

 

I also agree many can not handle wealth...Cannot handle money period...I truly believe that I experienced God taking hold of chaos and holding it still until He could get The Word I needed from a preacher about money...I could not (even though I had the money) get the bills paid on time...anyway...guess what...all that has changed!!! The Love of money can destroy...In some cirlces, money is worshipped and with blinded eyes it is an idol; taking God's Rightful Place as Provider.  Truth has to be revealed...and it's so deep that deep calls unto deep...To get everything God has...it's not always comfortable...It means being baptised in The Holy Ghost and Fire...indwelled mightily by His Spirit...Giving up our life as we know it...To live For Him...

 

I also disagree that God didn't care what happened to me after He saved me that day (Yes...I have taken some liberty-in my words-in response to the comment that God decides exactly what He wants to do and does it-but the way it was portrayed is that God is this Big Ogre) but there is this little verse that says: The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. Jesus came that I might have Life and Have It More Abundantly...(Don't jump on me yet-I looked up that word abundantly and yes...it means just that...the opposite of the word "lack" and "without" and "everything has been destroyed") My life wasn't too abundant drinking, smoking, partying...without God in my life...I was always running out of month before the money...I was in lack of everything: Physically, Mentally and Spiritually...Everything had been stolen...or was dying...just plain destruction...

 

And my hat is off to some that haven't had to go through the absolute yuk in life...Getting down to the Bottom and All That Is At The Bottom Is The Rock and His Name Is Jesus...Do you know what I'm praying-that my daughter will never ever go through what I have been through...I'm the first in my family to be saved...I guess I was the worst one...But that day My Lord and My God surely saved me from certain death...I have not deserved all That He Has Done, Is Doing and Will Do, In and Through my Life...For This Life, To The Best of my Ability, Has Been Given To Him...With No Reservations...

 

There is a Door-if you will-that we go through...The Place Where Nothing Makes Sense...Nothing is Growing...Nothing Is Changing...I don't know exactly how to say it...Complete and Total Surrender To The Fact That Without Him (God) I am Nothing...I Have No Power To Heal myself...It Comes From Him...and when I am sick-I seek out whomever I know-who Knows Him...Who knows The Healer and The Healing-I Seek...Whomever Has Been Revealed To me that they Are Indwelled Mightily by His Spirit...His Word says: Seek and I will find...I have found-every single time I have Seeked!!! The difference is my mind has been renewed...and I don't worship idols anymore...I Have No Power To Get Wealth...It Comes From Him...I don't have the "love" of money in me anymore...Now is when God gives The Wealth In His Time and His Way To Do With As He Wishes...After all...I'm on this earth for His Good Pleasure...And now in this time and place-there is a difference...I went after All That Is In The Bible and God Is A Rewarder To Those That Diligently Seek Him...Heb. 6:11 And I am a witness...Everything in the Bible is gettable!!!

 

Being on this road of understanding if you will...I Suppose The Realization That He Is Soveriegn and All Powerful...but then there is another Place...Where my God Loves...Just as Elijah was fed...Just as He Had To Move On-After The Water Dried Up...The Place Where Utter and Complete Trust In Him (God) is Required...And He Teaches us That He Is Provider...That He Is Healer...That He Is My Everything...That I Give Him All of me so He Can Change me...So He Can Take my Wrong Thoughts and Renew My Mind...My Mind Continually Needs Changing and Renewing...It's not a one time deal...It's a Personal Relationship that takes everyday doing...Our God is Alive!!! And just waiting for us to Seek!!! So we can find...May we all Seek and Find Him...and Know Him Today...

 

Aren't ya'll so excited? I haven't even put all the verses that The Lord has shown me...Saving that for next time...Much much love to you...Ok...I'm asking for prayer again...My hands are broken out...right when everything is coming together...must be doing something right for this much opposition to be present...I mean Everything is Coming Together...Things I've Prayed For and Been Being Taught of God...What He Wants me To Do...Whew...O God You Are So Good...Wow...I'm preaching myself happy again...Praising You O Lord...Thank You For Healing me!!!

[JohnD]

Speaking as a man who hopes for the better and remembers the way it was not so many years ago, I'd love to have what I had even 8 months ago (long story). Suffice it to say my company decided to take 27% of my pay away from me and now I work 12-15 hour days at two jobs 5-7 days a week. 

 

Speaking as a Bible student, I know we can all suffer much more than we have and it be under the purview "God will not allow us to suffer that which we are unable to bear." 

 

Still, I get sucked in to the pie in the sky by and by preaching ever so often.

 

I do believe we can bring negativity upon ourselves by not being positive.

 

But does that mean we can speak millions of dollars into our bank accounts? No.

 

What we often forget in our struggles is that we are not the only ones down here or that ours is not the biggest agenda on God's agenda. He cares very much about us but he has a plan and doing all things for god for those who love him in Christ Jesus often means we do without or suffer so than others can benefit according to God's plan.

 

Even in my grouching over my employment situation, I do have two jobs where some have none. I pray for those who have none. 

 

I also pray for those whose insatiable greed plummeted this once great nation into a feudalistic serfdom. Those of us 50 and older remember how it used to be.

 

I listened to a Walter Martin recording made in the mid 1970's. He mentioned the new Cadillacs coming out that year in their "nine thousand dollar glory." 

 

"Well," you might say, "that was so long ago when people made so much less money..."

 

If we were to compare the cost of today's new Cadillac and today's minimum wage to that of the mid 1970's, a $9,000 Cadillac means the minimum wage had to be less than a penny an hour.

 

It was $2.10 an hour by the way. I was there I earned it after school. 

 

Homes cost (in fancy neighborhoods) $20,000 to $30,000.

 

What happened is greed consumed all exponentially.

 

And the plight of the greedy people is that their insatiable lust for more devalues what they already have. So they have to charge more or invent ways of stealing from others that won't get them locked up in jail.

 

I pray for them.

 

Even if they can live with themselves, they are going to be held accountable for stealing from others more so than if they broke into someone's home to steal or rob. Of late they not only took away things but the ability for some to work and provide for their families and themselves. Even if they are happy on that third yacht or have a fleet of jets or mansions on every continent... their days in the money will pass. We all die and we cannot take it with us.
 

 

 

[Sevenseas]

Interesting post JohnDB.  I will go so far as to say that many leaders in the WOF movement have pretty much gone into people's homes via TV to steal and taht's right, we CANNOT take

it with us.

 

Lay up treasure for yourself in heaven comes to mind.  (Matt.6:19)

 

The flip side of what Jesus said in Matthew, you find in Romans...you can lay up wrath for yourself also.  Romans 2:5

[GoldenEagle]

"Do not think, because you experience adversity, that the hand of The Lord is shortened. It is not our prosperity but our holiness that He seeks with all His heart." - John Piper

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

 

Actually Shiloh, I am not parroting anyone or anything. I am not writing off of a teleprompter here. Much of this is originally inspired as I write it. You also speak of "Word of Faith" like it's something people mindlessly follow hoping to get rich, that is a ridiculous assertion - the whole point of Word of Faith is to learn how to stand on the Word of God in the manner which Paul describes in Romans 10 and get the results God has promised, just like Jesus and the Apostles, etc.

 

 

Originally inspired as you write it? So, you're claiming, what, the weight of scripture here? Not a good idea, IMO.

 

The main problem with the prosperity gospel is where it puts God. It makes God a servant of man when its the other way around. Man is to be a servant of God.

 

Jesus said those who are His hear His voice; I can hear God's voice just as surely as anyone following Him can. I hear Him whenever I am listening. I didn't say my words carry the same weight as Scripture - YOU said that. When I said my words are inspired to me, I meant I am hearing what to write. I was even intending to reply to any of this thread but the Lord woke me up at night and put things in front of me and spoke to me about many things the last 3 days, so I am writing them.

 

And if God is not our servant why did Jesus say He had NOT come to be served, but to serve (us)? He is God and He said He came to serve US. God says in the Scriptures, that concerning My sons and daughters, command ye Me. And then He expects us to serve others as we follow His example. God didn't serve us one time and then say, that's it, He does it everyday. Jesus and His Word is the very force holding everyTHING together, you don't think that's daily service, beyond everything He said He would do for us according to the Covenants of Promise?

 

If a business says, here are all the things we'll do for you by entering into to covenant with you, and then you make a demand on some of those things, or ALL of them listed, don't you expect them to perform them as promised? Paul pointed out that even among MEN, covenants cannot be broken or refused, how MUCH MORE the Covenant of Blood Jesus made for us between Himself and the Father? God didn't make the Covenant for HIS benefit, it's for YOU. He doesn't have any needs, YOU do. The Covenant is for you, start calling it to come to pass and see for yourself what happens when you LIVE by faith (as the just are called to do). You'll be filled with joy

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

 

Actually Shiloh, I am not parroting anyone or anything. I am not writing off of a teleprompter here. Much of this is originally inspired as I write it. You also speak of "Word of Faith" like it's something people mindlessly follow hoping to get rich, that is a ridiculous assertion - the whole point of Word of Faith is to learn how to stand on the Word of God in the manner which Paul describes in

I use the word "parrot" to indicate that you are using the same verbiage that I heard when I lived in Tulsa.  You are saying the same exact things I heard Rhema and ORU Students say when I worked around them.

 

As for the Word of Faith movement...  it is almost entirely fixated on material prosperity and justifying the lust for wealth.  Kenneth Copeland in his book entitled, "Laws of Prosperity" claims that, "God will make you as rich as Solomon if you have the faith."   I have seen them on TV, K. Copeland, K. Hagin Jr., Rod Parsley, TD Jakes, Fred Price, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis etc.  They are almost always fixated on material prospertiy.  That is their gospel and it is a false gospel. It's a false gospel because you don't have to be saved to want to be wealthy, have a bigger house, a better car, fine clothes, etc.  None of the stuff that the prosperity gospel espouses is anything that the average sinner would not want.  In fact, all of it is achievable without having to be a Christian.

 

 

Starting here, I don't follow a "movement", I go by the Bible. The most Scripturally accurate church I have found is the Word of Faith church. I think you see them backwards. First of all, WHERE is it written that you SHALL NOT have prosperity? Scripturally, WHY do you insist you cannot have prosperity as a Believer? Based on what precisely? And, HOW does the attribute of prosperity make the Gospel false? The entire Old Covenant was about God blessing His people if they obeyed and loading them up with material prosperity, if the NEW Covenant is a better covenant based on better terms, then how could anyone say we suddenly LOSE prosperity and suffer poverty or "moderation" only for the duration of the New Covenant. If God took care of His people materially and prospered them greatly all over the Old Covenant, then by definition (according to Hebrews and other places) in the NEW Covenant WE HAVE TO PROSPER, even MORE than in the Old Covenant, both PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY.

 

Secondly, I don't see what you mean by saying you can be a sinner and enjoy the same things that come with prosperity as a Believer can - what is the point of saying that? I don't see a point in there. Of course wealth is "achievable" by sinners - WHO said it's not? I didn't say that, I don't see where the Bible says that - I don't know who you're fighting against there...How many times did David want God to smite the wicked who prospered or point out that it was not good that they did prosper some of the time?

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

Where is your biblical authority for "moderation" is my point? There is nothing in the Bible that speaks of moderation with money. It is prosperity or poverty, blessing or curse. It's the choice of every Believer which direction he/she wishes to go forward in. But there is no middle ground. Just as with your body, it is either doing things that encourage the cells to live and prosper or degenerate and die. There is no staying the same, whether you can see it or not; the body goes up or down. Finances go up or down, relationships go up or down, businesses go up or down, etc. Everything goes toward life or toward death.

 

shiloh357

Another way of expressing moderation is self-control.  Being able to moderate how much you eat, how money much you spend, how much time you waste in front of the TV and so on.   The minister of the Gospel needs to be conscious of how he appears in public particularly when he is living off of the financial donations of others who are not obligated to give to his ministry.  It is one thing to have enough money to meet one's needs and provide for a reasonably comfortable life.  It is another thing to live in opulance,  to dine in five star restauraunts and spend thousands a week on lavish motel suites and feeling like you need private jets and need to drive a Bentley or a Porsche.   A minsiter of the Gospel should live a modest and moderate life, particularly when his donors are often people living on fixed and low incomes and are giving sacrficially under the impression that their money is going for the gospel and not simply lining the pockets of a greedy hireling who is only in this for the money.

 

NEXT,

Show in the Scriptures where it is written "that a minister of the Gospel should live a modest and moderate life" - that's an opinion, not God's Word.

 

Jesus wore SEAMLESS garments, do you know how EXPENSIVE that was in His day? That's a preacher wearing the best of the best, wasn't anything better. Jesus didn't correct that woman who poured out a bottle of nard on His feet that was worth TONS of money; when His disciples moaned about how that could have been sold and the money given to the poor, Jesus said she did a good thing by dumping it out on Him - if that had happened today, many would have criticized Jesus just like His disciples for the "misuse" of ministry resources (He could have stopped her after all).

 

Jesus also paid the room and board for his 12, plus the 70 part timers and who knows how many others. He had plenty built up over just 3 years of sowing and reaping. Jesus was no bum. If God's perfect will was Adam and Eve to have no needs and rather have EVERY want met in the Garden of Eden (which means house of pleasures) then why would God later come and try to get everyone to downgrade and live way below their inheritance and potential? What parent says, boy, I sure hope my kids don't make a lot of money one day, I really hope they stick to a level of financial moderation, having only just enough, I wouldn't want them to be able pay off church buildings or buy ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN and turn those stations into godly networks producing only godly shows to influence our country, and I sure wouldn't want them being able to pay off other Believer's debts and buy them cars and pay for food to feed 10 million starving children!
My God, if the Church had that kind of money, what would happen to people? Your love walk is totally hindered by not having an abundance of money/resources. Why did Paul write about offerings in 2 Cor 9:6-11 about ALWAYS having ALL sufficiency in ALL THINGS SO THAT YOU MAY ABOUND TO EVERY GOOD WORK.

 

HOW SELFISH are they insist they shall only have just enough, while so many around them are suffering, when they COULD be believing God and taking Him at His Word for prosperity and even if they want to live in "moderation" be able to sow 10s of 1,000s of dollars into the lives of others and get the Church out of debt and give GOOD things to others. (when you get a gift, do you want a "moderate" gift, or would you appreciate a "best" gift? When you give to the poor, do you give them the worn out, busted junk or stuff that is no longer good enough for you, or do you want to bless them with NICE STUFF they can enjoy? The list goes on and on.)

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

The problem with stating a "moderate" approach on finances is this: HOW MUCH is moderate? According to whom? Who determines how much you can have, or when it's too much? When other people determine you have too much and we need to take what you have and give it to those who have less than you it's called SOCIALISM. Socialism does not, has not, will not, can not ever work, and anything other than pure prosperity according to the level you have let your faith be developed is not going to work.

 

No, we are not talking about socialism.  Socialism is government mandated redistribution of wealth. Moderation is self-imposed.  It is not a case of setting a dollar amount as being "too much money."   Rather it is a self-imposed limitation.   Billy Graham's ministry brought in millions a year.   But he had a board of directors that gave him a set salary.  The rest of the money went to the ministry.  His salary was modest and he has never had a million dollars in his life, but he had a modest home in the mountains of North Carolina.  He didn't live with rags on his back, but he didn't live in the kind of opulance that Word of Faith peopple are conned into thinking is appropriate for preachers.   He is a good example of Christian who lived his life in moderation.  

 

 

That you feel that it has to be either to one extreme or the other, feast or famine, extravagance or abject poverty shows just how much you have been improperly influenced by the Word of Faith movement.

 

 

Again, God never calls you to "moderate" finances, He calls you to be rich. It's your choice if you want to answer that call, but it's on every Believer. I was once homeless, now I am blessed, prosperous - standing on the Word and receiving and learning how to use the Scriptures and get what God has promised me according to Galatians 3:29. His Word works, if you'll work it. I am living proof. What I have has come by God's hand, not by any man. Just like Abraham.

 

The fact is that God has not called anyone to be rich.  God regulates the behavior of rich people, but there is no "call" anywhere in the Bible for someone to be rich.

 

As for Galatians 3:29, you still have not caught on to the fact that the promise mentioned in that verse has NOTHING to do with prosperity.  It is has to do with the promise made to Abraham that he would be the father of many nations.  You simply and blindly parrot terminology and you are not paying attention to what the Bible actually says those words mean.  There is blessing of prosperity anywhere in Galatians three.  That doesn't even fit the context of the chapter or of the book itself.   Paul is dealing with Judaizing heresy in that church.  He is not addressing the issue of poverty.

 

 

shiloh357

 

Socialism being run by a government is true, but the citizens have to go along with it; you are making standards that God never said, just like the Pharisees (the so-called godly men of their days) made a bunch of rules that may have seemed holy and good, but God never said and who would have ever thought that Jesus would criticize them for it, saying they made their disciples into twice the sons of hell that they were. These rules made them into sons of hell, meaning they followed the Devil's ideology.

 

There is no place in the Bible that mandates a "financial cut-off" for Believers or Ministers or Apostles/Prophets/Teachers/Evangelists/Pastors. Anyone who follows one is living under a man-made mandate that God never imposed.

You cannot have what you preach against, those who rail against prosperity and insist on a self-imposed financial success limit will get exactly what they say, just like God (Proverbs 18:21).

 

If you don't want prosperity for yourself, you're selfish (I don't mean this inciendiarily or rudely, just stating a fact), but don't teach others a man-made doctrine of financial limits because you don't want them. Selfish because as I said above, you cannot do much for the Kingdom of God without money. How many anointed ministries called into ministry have failed because they couldn't get money? It takes money to purchase or build buildings, it takes money to eat, it takes money to drive/own cars, it takes money to transport goods, it takes money to own a home, EVERYTHING TAKES MONEY, we live in an economic world and this will shock some people, but study it out and see for yourself: Jesus spoke more on money than faith and prayer COMBINED. Why should the wicked get all the nice stuff while the Princes and Princesses of the KING get the hand-me-downs and beg for the world's leftovers? That doesn't even make a little bit of sense.

 

So again, don't place a cap on your prosperity; God never did, you should be an imitator of God as dear children; placing a cap on your prosperity severely cripples your love walk.