Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 At the second coming the saints are caught up which happens at the last trump the saints are not taken before the trumpet are blown the bible clearly shews the timing of the saints being taken Prove with scripture that rapture happens at the 7th trump. The rapture happens at the last trump and the 7th trump is not the last but that which signals Jesus second coming thus Jesus blws the last trump when He comes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Matthew 24:42-43 King James Version (KJV) 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. . Those who teach the Secret Rapture say the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a thief in the night to snatch away true believers while others are asleep The verses above say nothing about the secret rapture, but only indicate Jesus will return like the thief who would come at an unknown and unexpected time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 King James Version (KJV) 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. It says nothing about a secret rapture. Again, the message here is NOT that Jesus' coming will be secret, but that it will occur at a time when most will not expect it, therefore we must WATCH! Watch DRS81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 2 Peter 3:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Revelation 3:3 King James Version (KJV) 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. There is nothing in this verse that even vaguely suggests that Christians will be raptured secretly. Here is an instruction for them to watch because nobody knows when Jesus will be returning. The rapture is a cowardly teaching of men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also.Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife.I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is thatthe Devil is the enemy fighting against the church.The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome1 Chronicles 21:16King James Version (KJV)16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. The woman is the church The man child is Jesus The remnant of her seed is the saintsOk you helped me there on the sword. I should have remembered that.But are they good against another Angel ?So do you think there was a blood bath in Heaven above with the Angels ?Was Michael and his Angels defending Mary up there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also. Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife. I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church. The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome 1 Chronicles 21:16 King James Version (KJV)16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. The woman is the church The man child is Jesus The remnant of her seed is the saints Ok you helped me there on the sword. I should have remembered that. But are they good against another Angel ? So do you think there was a blood bath in Heaven above with the Angels ? Was Michael and his Angels defending Mary up there ? angels do not have blood Daniel 10:13 King James Version (KJV) 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. Daniel 10:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. Who was the prince of Persia and the prince of Grecia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also. Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife. I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church. The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome I also believe that the devil is using rome to persecute the saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also. Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife. I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church. The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome 1 Chronicles 21:16 King James Version (KJV)16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. The woman is the church The man child is Jesus The remnant of her seed is the saints Ok you helped me there on the sword. I should have remembered that. But are they good against another Angel ? So do you think there was a blood bath in Heaven above with the Angels ? Was Michael and his Angels defending Mary up there ? Revelation 12 is past future and present and it is not Mary Do you have a sword to fight against evil angels ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Wow, so many differing interpretations/views on the same scripture! Some way out there. Well, someone is wrong. GOD has to be shaking His head in incredulity at the religion of man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 31, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 31, 2014 Wow, so many differing interpretations/views on the same scripture! Some way out there. Well, someone is wrong. GOD has to be shaking His head in incredulity at the religion of man! Well,He is either shaking His head or laughing.Yes,someone is wrong.I guess we will find that out when we get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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