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  1. Thanks for the response Zach(hope it's ok to shorten your name)! I could be wrong but I suspect your making light of my commentary by asking a question that we already know that answer to but you feel trumps my suppositions. Fair enough. It's difficult to make that known to a believer who would say yes, we are in the same covenant as the Israelites except for the fact that now its not based on our promises but better ones. Salvation has always been by faith through grace. If it wasn't then the old covenant you're describing makes folk like Elijah and Enoch sinners who made it to heaven sinning.
  2. Some folks in my church were studying this topic during bible study last weekend. Luke 13:23,24 says: and Matthew 7:13,14 says: So is Jesus equating salvation to eternal life and if so does it mean we have a part to play in it? Also Jesus said that few find the narrow gate. It makes me think about the story of Noah where only 8 were saved. Also the bible also seems to have a theme of a remnant which refers to a little part of a whole. So I do question if we can take ourselves out of salvation.
  3. I will have to disagree with this statement based on some quotes I was able to locate. 4TH CENTURY "Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan (c 340-397), said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb, 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'" Heylyn, The History of the Sabbath (1612) "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." Antiquities of the Christian Church, vol. Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138 Abyssinia - Remnants of Philip's Evangelism "In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment." Ambrose, DeMoribus, Brachmanorium Opera Ominia, 1132, found in Migne, Patrologia Latima, Vol.17, pp.1131, 1132 Arabia, Persia, India, China "Mingana proves that in 370 AD Abyssinian Christianity (a Sabbath keeping church) was so popular that its famous director, Musacus, travelled extensively in the East promoting the church in Arabia, Persia, India and China." Truth Triumphant, p.308 (Footnote 27) Persia-A.D.335-375 "They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, The Syriac Church and Fathers, pp.83, 84 5 CENTURY In Jerome's day (420 AD) the devoutest Christians did ordinary work on Sunday. Treatise of the Sabbath Day, by Dr. White, Lord Bishop of Ely, p. 219. Sidonius (Speaking Of King Theodoric Of The Goths, AD 454-526) "It is a fact that it was formerly the custom in the East to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Lord's day and to hold sacred assemblies: while on the other hand, the people of the West, contending for the Lord's day have neglected the celebration of the Sabbath." Apollinaries Sidonli Epistolae, lib.1, 2; Migne, 57. 6TH CENTURY Scottish Church "In this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early monastic church of Ireland by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours." W.T. Skene, Adamnan Llife of St. Columbs 1874, p.96. Scotland - Columba "Having continued his labours in Scotland thirty-four years, he clearly and openly foretold his death, and on Saturday, the month of June, said to his disciple Diermit: "This day is called the Sabbath, that is the rest day, and such will it truly be to me; for it will put an end to my labours.'" Butler's Lives of the Saints, Vol.1, A.D. 597, art. "St. Columba" p. 762 7TH CENTURY Scotland and Ireland "The Celts used a Latin Bible unlike the Vulgate (R.C.) and kept Saturday as a day of rest, with special religious services on Sunday." Flick, The Rise of Mediaeval Church, p. 237 Rome (Pope Gregory I, A.D.590 TO 604) "Gregory, bishop by the grace of God to his well-beloved sons, the Roman citizens: It has come to me that certain men of perverse spirit have disseminated among you things depraved and opposed to the holy faith, so that they forbid anything to be done on the day of the Sabbath. What shall I call them except preachers of anti-Christ?" Epistles, b.13:1 ~~~ Rome (Pope Gregory I) Declared that when anti-Christ should come he would keep Saturday as the Sabbath. "Epistles of Gregory I, "b 13, epist.1. found in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers. "Moreover, this same Pope Gregory had issued an official pronouncement against a section of the city of Rome itself because the Christian believers there rested and worshipped on the Sabbath." Same reference. http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/sabbathconfessions.htm The above link gives quotes from each century where christians kept the sabbath before the 16th century. 6th Century
  4. If Mary had Jesus, and Jesus is the Lamb of God, does that mean that Mary had a little lamb?....
  5. The nature of Christ is why most SDA's believe as Doug believes. We believe that Christ had our fallen nature and relied completely on the Spirit of God to keep the laws of God. Galations 2:20 tells us that when we allow Christ to live in our dead bodies he now lives our lives and empowers us to keep what he has commanded to to keep. Legalism would rely on our on strength to keep the law while Doug is advocating relying on the power of the Holy Spirit to do so.
  6. It says we fly away. agreed. I don't have an explanation to support my view on this verse alone, but I still don't think the state of the dead can be substantiated on this one verse alone...a good one I admit. For the genesis 35:18 argument I will quote one of the scholars from my church.
  7. No problem...I'm just sharing the alternative point of view.
  8. The bearing of fruit I believe is God's work. If we die to self and abide in him then I believe that the fruit has no choice but to come. John 15:4-5 Within the scope of judging righteous judgment I think the body of Christ has the right to "judge" within the body. That is if the person(s) doing the judging aren't guilty themselves. Fruit inspection is important because of what is in Matthew 7:16-20
  9. I can't not(lol) mind you Davida...so blood screams/cries to God? How about vs. 11 of the same chapter? If the blood crying out is not metaphorical to God, then the earth having a mouth to open must also but literal truth. Just saying bro. I'm trying to be careful with my words because it sounds one way in my head but sometimes when someone is reading what I wrote it could come off as arrogant so I just want to put in there that this is not my intention at all. God bless.
  10. Genesis 4:9, 10 I thinks it's called a metaphor. I could be wrong though.
  11. no idea how to respond to this because I'm not sure where you were going with this but it's an excuse to keep chatting with you.
  12. You assume that I am playing games. I am quite serious about the statement that I made and just because you disagree doesn't mean that it's ludicrous. It's been said many times on these boards that a doctrine needs to be substantiated on several witnesses(scriptures) and you claim that "my false doctrine" has been refuted by one passage? I respectfully disagree. You are correct...there may be a dozen passages total "seem" to refute soul sleep but when you look deeper into those passages it becomes clear that they are no longer refutations. Love you Ezra and there's nothing you can do about it....
  13. Also I'm not a lawyer but wouldn't a dead witness's testimony stand in court if it was like their final statement? If so then that should be applicable to your last question.
  14. I would venture to say it's the saints mentioned in the previous chapter. But not in the sense that you are alluding to in that they are conscious. I would be labeled as an African American and it is common for those in my community to say things like we're standing on the shoulders of our ancestors etc. I just take that is that they started the race and it's up to me to continue/finish it not that they are around me whispering keep on keeping on brother rob... We are surrounded by the vast testimonies of the patriarchs and prophets, the angels who have been witnesses to the revelations of the bible and what I believe to be creations from other worlds(but you can take that last one with a grain of salt because it is an sda belief)
  15. thanks for the the clarity Ezra... I knew that...just wanted to shed light in this gloomy topic of death. I posted the original poster's source that was supposedly against soul sleep and that was their statement....and I'm obviously inclined to agree. The false doctrine of consciousness after death has a handful of text while the rest of the bible supports that the dead aren't aware of this conversation we're having right now. This is one of the reasons why God was so against Israel reaching out to people who dealt with the dead e.g. necromancers. Leviticus 19:31 Micah 5:12 Deuteronomy 18:10-14 etc
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