A few question about Job?

[gray wolf]

Note too that Job's friends tried to do the right thing, but were misguided. First they just silently sat with him, keeping him company, which is of immeasurable value to one suffering.

[Paradox]

God was not rebuking Job in the end, He was rebuking Job's cliche Christian 'friends' who philosophized, when really they did not have the guts to tell Job that they could not bear to be there with him, let alone what was happening, and the fact that they were unable to comfort him, just made them uneasy.

It would have been easier and far better to be honest with him than to do great speeches of religious nonsense.

 

Some of you already picked up on that.

 

If you read God's speech to Job, it is easy to misjudge God and look at Him in exactly the same way that Job's 'friends' did.

 

Like "God is rebuking you bla bla blah."

 

As God was speaking with Job, He was in fact healing him through His speech, not just his body, but his mind.

 

First bringing him onto his feet. Job could hardly lift a finger before God asked him to. He was so wasted.

 

All the sayings of God are aimed at building up a fortress of resilience and confidence in Job's mind, to assist his patterns of thought and bring him comfort and rest - not in himself, but in God for eternal security, rather than temporary relief.

 

Overwhelmed, Job confessed his own inadequacy, but relied on the greatness of God, with humble confidence. 

 

Note the last illustration of the fearless leviathan? All these attributes as illustrated in nature are in God, and God gave Himself to Job, in that conversation, and God said to Job - your friends are a couple of losers, let them turn around and find a better way - make them put up an offering.

 

God did not have a go at Job for his self righteousness, Job was actually quite humble, but the words of God were to identify Himself with him, and not to create a contrast.

 

And by the way, the whole experience was not an experiment. But that's another story.

[FreeinChrist]

 

Just had a few questions about the Book of Job, and wanted to get others opinions.

God tells satan that He (God) was moved against Job, by satan without cause Job 2:3, why do you think God would allow satan to do this?

The foundations of context must be remembered (all men are sinners and none righteous)… so it is also with

Job. You may say then why does God say this:

Job 1:8

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job,

that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man,

one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

KJV

Romans 3:23

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

KJV

Romans 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by

sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

KJV

It is understood in the line of scarificers from God first exampling in the covering of nakedness down thru

the Godly linage of ->to Job

Job 1:5

5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job

sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt

offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my

sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

KJV

So we find God is justified by The Sacrifice of Himself by the giving of The Son Who sacrificed Himself by

death on the cross to forgive sin and remember no more …the only form of righteous man can have that of

The Son's Life given for us as a life of our own… God is using cross reality not yet come but as though it had

>for it had< though not yet come! When we in Adam sinned we gave control of this world that God had given

us to satan -> so satan using what was his brought accusation against Job. For satan cannot understand the

power of the Christ of God ->(being this) we are made able to give up all that we have come into, that which is

now belonging to satan, to receive that only formed by God's Word of promise that satan can never enter…

this is the main thrust of understanding for us to glean today from Job and how Job repented for God brought

Job into the understanding that the only Holy, Pure, Undefiled, Righteousness was in God alone and all else is

in need of His Grace of Covering that our righteousness will be that of His Righteousness!

 

At the end of Job, God talks to Job, but never explains to Job why he had to suffer. Yet God is so great in Job's presence that he repents, of his questioning God;

Satan has the right, so shown us by God, to bring against us what we have given satan to be over us

                                                                                                                                      >this world and our bodies<

but in the confines of what The Lord allows him to use… do not forget the temptations of satan to The

Son where The Father allowed satan to use all the world and even Jesus' physical life as means to turn

The Holy Son of God but could not… It was by every Word that God has said whereby Life becomes eternal... 

 

so why do I (we) as Christian(s) who know all that Jesus Christ suffered for us, so easily forget and murmured against God, after all that He has done for me (us)? Speaking of myself more than anybody else here.

Because we stand in our own strength as habit from 1st birth instead of Spiritual reliance of 2nd birth written

thus:

Gal 5:16-17

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and

these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that

ye would.

KJV

Gal 5:25

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

KJV

 

And the final question why do you think God never explained to Job why he had suffered so greatly?

God did… His presence of Love for Job opened Job's heart to the eternal truth that the world or the things

in the world were not worthy to be weighed out in the considerations of the eternal things of God…

Love, Steven

 

 

Thank you, Steve, you made some excellent points. 

God was not rebuking Job in the end, He was rebuking Job's cliche Christian 'friends' who philosophized, when really they did not have the guts to tell Job that they could not bear to be there with him, let alone what was happening, and the fact that they were unable to comfort him, just made them uneasy.

It would have been easier and far better to be honest with him than to do great speeches of religious nonsense.

 

Some of you already picked up on that.

 

If you read God's speech to Job, it is easy to misjudge God and look at Him in exactly the same way that Job's 'friends' did.

 

Like "God is rebuking you bla bla blah."

 

As God was speaking with Job, He was in fact healing him through His speech, not just his body, but his mind.

 

First bringing him onto his feet. Job could hardly lift a finger before God asked him to. He was so wasted.

 

All the sayings of God are aimed at building up a fortress of resilience and confidence in Job's mind, to assist his patterns of thought and bring him comfort and rest - not in himself, but in God for eternal security, rather than temporary relief.

 

Overwhelmed, Job confessed his own inadequacy, but relied on the greatness of God, with humble confidence. 

 

Note the last illustration of the fearless leviathan? All these attributes as illustrated in nature are in God, and God gave Himself to Job, in that conversation, and God said to Job - your friends are a couple of losers, let them turn around and find a better way - make them put up an offering.

 

God did not have a go at Job for his self righteousness, Job was actually quite humble, but the words of God were to identify Himself with him, and not to create a contrast.

 

And by the way, the whole experience was not an experiment. But that's another story.

 

Totally agree.

 

[Enoc]

Interesting

 

Just had a few questions about the Book of Job, and wanted to get others opinions.

 

God tells satan that He (God) was moved against Job, by satan without cause Job 2:3, why do you think God would allow satan to do this?

 

At the end of Job, God talks to Job, but never explains to Job why he had to suffer.  Yet God is so great in Job's presence that he repents, of his questioning God; so why do I (we) as Christian(s) who know all that Jesus Christ suffered for us, so easily forget and murmured against God, after all that He has done for me (us)?  Speaking of myself more than anybody else here.

 

And the final question why do you think God never explained to Job why he had suffered so greatly?

 

 

Feel free to answer one or as many as you want.

 

GOD is all knowing, and he knew what Job would do.

 

GOD is the creator of all,  and we are his creation an explanation maybe nice but not required. On the other hand would you understand the explanation or are somethings just not for you to know.

 

As men we are easily moved by the flesh, which makes us prone to doubt under pressure.

 

GOD knows our build, and just like he knows how to knock us to our knees he also knows how to lift us up. In other words, GOD can do things in our life so great it overshadows/blot out the not so great things that happens to us.

 

Job 5:18 New King James Version (NKJV) For He bruises, but He binds up;He wounds, but His hands make whole. 

Edited July 11, 2014 by Enoc