The Beast From The Sea

[Guest Jesse]

Sister.

 

That just about sums it up.

Ez.37 will be israel brought back by choice. Their dry bones will put on flesh, and brought back to life.

Not all israel,but the ones chosen by God.They will be in paradise where they will be at rest.

And the saints will rule over them. Rule over their own kingdom.

(satan in prison. His angels are still free to roam outside the kingdom to do the tempting).

A thousand year kingdom;and Christ as king of kings.

You made my day.

 

jesse.

[Salty]

The melting is after the 1000 years. It has to be.

 

When Christ returns, he destroys Babylon the Great.  But there are survivors of the nations after this.  These survivors are still flesh, I'm not talking about the saints., but the others.

The earth cannot be melted , because we have flesh here still.  The melting will kill them.  So the melting is not now, straight after Christ's return, but will happen after the thousand years.

 Israel will be grafted back in during the millennium, before the melting of the earth.

 Israel will be brought into the kingdom area (not inherit, but dwell there)  This kingdom is on earth, and Jerusalem is it's headquarters.  God ruling from heaven, Christ ruling on earth with his saints. 

 

 

 

God is not going to literally destroy this earth; He's going to cleanse its surface, just as He did in the days of Noah, except this next time using fire. Were people destroyed off the earth in Noah's days by the flood? Yes, but this next time with God's consuming fire there will be a difference with destruction. It's going to 'change' everyone to the "spiritual body" type, including the wicked/deceived (Isaiah 25). This is a major mystery for many still today when it really shouldn't be, since it is so close to coming to pass today.

 

The survivors of the nations will be in the "spiritual body" like we all will be. This is why Jesus showed in John 5:28-29 that the "resurrection of damnation" will also manifest on the day of His return. So are the wicked dead of the nations going to be walking around in resurrected bodies, but others of the wicked still in flesh bodies for Christ's Millennium? No. God's consuming fire on earth will cause the wicked still alive to go through the 'change' at "the twinkling of an eye" also.

 

The change from a body of corruption (flesh) to a body of incorruption (spiritual body) does NOT mean automatic Salvation through Christ Jesus. Just any mention at all of a "resurrection of damnation", regardless of when one believes it will occur, ought to show that clearly. Some surely are thinking, "What? the condemned are going to be resurrected too?" Yeah. "To what kind of body? another flesh body?" NO!, to the 'resurrection' type body, the spiritual body.

 

This is why Rev.20 tells us the condemned only will still be subject to the "second death" during the 1,000 years. Per Rev.3:9, we're shown those of the "synagogue of Satan" coming to bow before the feet of Christ's elect, which also proves the condemned ("resurrection of damnation") will go through Christ's Millennium reign. They will be there, but in the spiritual body type also, but their soul ("this mortal") will still be in a liable to die state per the "second death", UNLESS they repent and convert to Christ Jesus during that time. And surely we know that group He called the "synagogue of Satan" are Christ's greatest enemies.

 

Thus the order is:

 

1. Christ's coming on the day of The Lord - all alive on earth changed to the spiritual body, with those of the resurrection brought to earth, both Christ's saints, and the wicked dead.

2. Goats put on the left, Christ's sheep on His right. Christ's sheep inherit eternal Life (put on immortality); the goats do not.

3. Christ reigns with His elect over all. His saints reside on earth in the holy city where God's River and the tree of life is, the wicked and deceived reside outside the gates of the holy city (Rev.22:14-15). The "rod of iron" is for ruling over those nations of the condemned during the 1,000 years. Satan is locked in his pit prison.

4. After the 1,000 years, Satan is loosed out of his pit prison to deceive the nations, coming upon the "camp of the saints" on earth to destroy. God rains fire down from Heaven to destroy them, protecting the holy city.

5. The wicked and deceived left then appear before Christ at The Judgment to see if any of their names are found in the book of life. Those found are joined with His Church. Those not found are cast into the "lake of fire" along with the abode of hell and death.

6. God's new heavens and a new earth - Eternity with The full Godhead returning back to earth. Eden returning back to earth. God's abode with us on earth. No more temple on earth.

[Salty]

 

 There is a difference between "inherit" and "dwell".  The saints "inherit" everything at their resurrection but they will rule in the kingdom on earth for a thousand years with Christ, not rule in heaven. (whats the point in that?)

The saints now have a specific job to do "on earth" for the thousand years, and that is to teach Israel and all her future generations the Lord Jesus Christ.  This is when Israel will be grafted back in.  They get a clean slate now.  Mercy.  And nothing that defiles can dwell in this kingdom.  They will be full of the holy spirit, but still flesh.  In turn they will teach the gentiles outside the kingdom, and this is when truth will cover the whole earth.  Not lies, but truth coming straight out of the kingdom. 

 

 

No marriage in the resurrection, thus no babies made. All will be in the "spiritual body" type.

 

ONLY those of Israel who do not remain in unbelief are graffed back into their own tree (Rom.11). All must bow to Christ Jesus as Lord of lords, and King of kings and believe on Him as God's promised Saviour in order to have eternal life. Same requirement for the seed of Israel, no free pass because of station of birth.

 

The idea that anyone in that time will still be in a flesh body is a doctrine of men. That idea is not written, it is assumed via speculation. It has been taught so long that it has become a tradition difficult to reverse in many people's minds. There is no idea of a 'first death' mentioned anywhere in the Rev.20 chapter. Only the "second death" is mentioned, and we're supposed to be wise enough to realize what's destroyed at the "second death", because those of the nations Christ and His elect reign over are not in a 'saved' condition during that 1,000 years. If they were still flesh, then how is it they will experience the "second death" for still rejecting Christ Jesus?

 

When Jesus said for us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, and there's nothing more they can do, but to fear Him Which can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire ("hell" = geena), the body that is destroyed is not a flesh body, but the spiritual body. The "second death" is about the destruction of one's spirit with soul. One's spirit is what the spiritual body is made up of, with one's soul attached to it, neither can be separated. But our flesh body can... be separated from our spirit with soul.

[Guest Jesse]

I believe that the jews chosen by God in paradise are flesh; and all will be converted to Christ.Everyone of them.

The first death is when a person dies.

The second death is when he is judged in the second resurrection and put to death again.

This would be final.

 

The second judgement is of every single person that ever lived on earth,except the resurrected saints.

They will be judged by the book of life. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left.

All the converted during the thousand years;will be judged in Christ.

 

jesse.

[Sister]

God is not going to literally destroy this earth; He's going to cleanse its surface, just as He did in the days of Noah, except this next time using fire. Were people destroyed off the earth in Noah's days by the flood? Yes, but this next time with God's consuming fire there will be a difference with destruction. It's going to 'change' everyone to the "spiritual body" type, including the wicked/deceived (Isaiah 25). This is a major mystery for many still today when it really shouldn't be, since it is so close to coming to pass today.

 

 

 

Hi Salty,

 

Well I can see that God is going to destry this earth literally, by melting it, but only after the 1000 years.  That's all I'm saying.  As for everybody being changed into a spiritual body type, even the wicked at the coming, I strongly disagree.  As I see it, the wicked dead who are in their graves will stay there until "the second death" (White Throne Judgement)  They have died once, now will face judgement only to die again (lake of fire).  This is after the 1000 years.  No inbetween, and not brought back to contaminate again, just awaiting judgement now.

 

Only those who died in Christ will be resurrected into spirit at the coming.  This is our reward.  The same reward does not go to the wicked. 

 

 

The survivors of the nations will be in the "spiritual body" like we all will be. This is why Jesus showed in John 5:28-29 that the "resurrection of damnation" will also manifest on the day of His return. So are the wicked dead of the nations going to be walking around in resurrected bodies, but others of the wicked still in flesh bodies for Christ's Millennium? No. God's consuming fire on earth will cause the wicked still alive to go through the 'change' at "the twinkling of an eye" also.

 

 

 

These survivors will still be multiplying.  They are still flesh.  In the kingdom area, a man will live to be a hundred years old, he will die of a ripe old age.  He will die in peace, blessed.  There will be no sinners in the kingdom area, but outside there will be. 

 

Isaiah 65:20   There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

 

Can you see that there is flesh here.  Flesh dies. 

If it is as you say, that even the dead wicked people are going to be brought back in a spiriual body, live, and die again to be judged,......then when they die, the scriptures should say that they will be facing "the third death"? 

Can you see what I mean?  There is only a second death.  They die twice, not three times.

 

The change from a body of corruption (flesh) to a body of incorruption (spiritual body) does NOT mean automatic Salvation through Christ Jesus. Just any mention at all of a "resurrection of damnation", regardless of when one believes it will occur, ought to show that clearly. Some surely are thinking, "What? the condemned are going to be resurrected too?" Yeah. "To what kind of body? another flesh body?" NO!, to the 'resurrection' type body, the spiritual body.

 

 

 1 Corinthians 15:42   So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

 

This scripture shows us that whoever is raised in the resurrection, is raised "perfect".  I'd say this transformation is "proof" of salvation.  It's not clear now who will be saved, but at the ressurrection, all who are gathered are the ones that received salvation.

 

This is why Rev.20 tells us the condemned only will still be subject to the "second death" during the 1,000 years. Per Rev.3:9, we're shown those of the "synagogue of Satan" coming to bow before the feet of Christ's elect, which also proves the condemned ("resurrection of damnation") will go through Christ's Millennium reign. They will be there, but in the spiritual body type also, but their soul ("this mortal") will still be in a liable to die state per the "second death", UNLESS they repent and convert to Christ Jesus during that time. And surely we know that group He called the "synagogue of Satan" are Christ's greatest enemies.

 

 

After the 1000 years.

Revelation 20:5   But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (this last bit is referring to verse 4)

 

 

 

Thus the order is:

 

1. Christ's coming on the day of The Lord - all alive on earth changed to the spiritual body, with those of the resurrection brought to earth, both Christ's saints, and the wicked dead.

2. Goats put on the left, Christ's sheep on His right. Christ's sheep inherit eternal Life (put on immortality); the goats do not.

3. Christ reigns with His elect over all. His saints reside on earth in the holy city where God's River and the tree of life is, the wicked and deceived reside outside the gates of the holy city (Rev.22:14-15). The "rod of iron" is for ruling over those nations of the condemned during the 1,000 years. Satan is locked in his pit prison.

4. After the 1,000 years, Satan is loosed out of his pit prison to deceive the nations, coming upon the "camp of the saints" on earth to destroy. God rains fire down from Heaven to destroy them, protecting the holy city.

5. The wicked and deceived left then appear before Christ at The Judgment to see if any of their names are found in the book of life. Those found are joined with His Church. Those not found are cast into the "lake of fire" along with the abode of hell and death.

6. God's new heavens and a new earth - Eternity with The full Godhead returning back to earth. Eden returning back to earth. God's abode with us on earth. No more temple on earth.

 

 

 

 

1.  Then the wicked should face "the third death"

2.  Yes, but this also happens in the 2nd judgement (white throne judgement)  They are judged "according to the books"  Some will be spared, doesn't mean all these spared knew Christ, because many died before the gospel of Christ came out, ...but they are judged according to their deeds, (heart).  They will be divided again.  The final sifting. The saints who were resurrected at Christ's coming will not be in this judgement, you know that. Only the dead from all past generations, and the future generations who will be born during the millennium wil take part in this. 

3. Yes

4. Yes

5. Yes

6. Yes, but it will be better than Eden.  Paradise was that Kingdom of God during the millennium, it was restored to look like Eden again.  Those living outside can come in to worship only, and visit.  Not dwell there.

 

Salty,

I am not disagreeing with you just for the sake of it.  You have your reasons and have explained your interpretation, and I have mine.  It's good that we can discuss like this.  We just have to put it all together with the scriptures.  I enjoy these conversations with someone that knows so much.

[Sister]

 

 

No marriage in the resurrection, thus no babies made. All will be in the "spiritual body" type.

 

 

No marriage or babies for the saints I agree.  The rest are not saints, but flesh. (the survivors)

 

ONLY those of Israel who do not remain in unbelief are graffed back into their own tree (Rom.11). All must bow to Christ Jesus as Lord of lords, and King of kings and believe on Him as God's promised Saviour in order to have eternal life. Same requirement for the seed of Israel, no free pass because of station of birth.

 

 

We have Israel

and we have the gentiles.

Out of all the nations, God chose the hebrews and called them Israel.  They were chosen first.  Now excluding the prophets, and David, and the apostles etc, Israel backslid.  They did not accept the Messiah that was sent to them. This was when they were completely cut off.  In turn, this was to make way for the gentiles.  As a nation, they do not believe in Christ, therefore rejecting the Son of God.  God has blinded them for this very purpose, to bring the gentiles in.  In the end it's all God's plan.  He makes it clear that he will bring Israel back to him, and they will be a holy nation, not according to the old law, but the new.  We cannot dismiss them, for they serve a purpose in the grand plan from beginning to end.

 

Jeremiah 32:42   For thus saith the Lord, Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.

 

 

The idea that anyone in that time will still be in a flesh body is a doctrine of men. That idea is not written, it is assumed via speculation. It has been taught so long that it has become a tradition difficult to reverse in many people's minds.

 

 

Salty

 

I havn't been church taught, nor have I read books about the bible.  I'm not familiar with all the doctrines out there, and I have not heard anyone say that there will be flesh.  I can only get this from the bible itself when putting the picture together.

1.  Christ and the saints rule for a thousand years on earth.

2.  There will be a kingdom area with boundaries.

3.  Nations will come in year to year to worship

 

Zechariah 14:16   And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

4.  After the thousand years, Satan will be let loose to deceive the nations again.

 

Nations = people = flesh.

 

5.  A baby will not die young, because a man will live a ripe old age to 100

6.  Children will be playing safely

 

Isaiah 11:8   And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

Isaiah 11:6   The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

 

This is talking about inside the kingdom - millennium.  There are children here.  They are flesh.

 

 

 

 

There is no idea of a 'first death' mentioned anywhere in the Rev.20 chapter. Only the "second death" is mentioned, and we're supposed to be wise enough to realize what's destroyed at the "second death", because those of the nations Christ and His elect reign over are not in a 'saved' condition during that 1,000 years. If they were still flesh, then how is it they will experience the "second death" for still rejecting Christ Jesus?

 

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f there's a second death, then there must be a first death.   The first death is when we die in this lifetime.  The second death is judgement.  This is the general rule, but there are some exceptions, as some will not see death but be changed in the twinkling of an eye at the coming.

 

During the 1000 years they will have time to repent.  Future generations will not be contaminated like this system we have now.  It's their children without the mark that really get the chance.  And their children, future generations, the ones not contaminated.  They will live and die and multiply for a thousand years.  After the thousand years, not all will take part in the "2nd death", only the ones that don't conform.  It's the 2nd death to them, but not to all, because some are written in the book of life.

 

The 2nd death, 2nd resurrection, 2nd judgement & white throne judgement is all done at the same time.  It's the same event.  It happens just before the earth is melted and the heavens and the earth made anew.

 

 

 

 

 

When Jesus said for us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, and there's nothing more they can do, but to fear Him Which can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire ("hell" = geena), the body that is destroyed is not a flesh body, but the spiritual body. The "second death" is about the destruction of one's spirit with soul. One's spirit is what the spiritual body is made up of, with one's soul attached to it, neither can be separated. But our flesh body can... be separated from our spirit with soul.

 

 

 

 

Yes, the 2nd death is the destruction of one's spirit and soul.  I completely agree.

They must be raised in their flesh bodies to be judged, because being changed from flesh to spirit, is the reward to the saints, and we will follow in Christ's footsteps.

 

For God to raise somene back into their flesh body to be judged is not a hard task for him.

[Salty]

 

God is not going to literally destroy this earth; He's going to cleanse its surface, just as He did in the days of Noah, except this next time using fire. Were people destroyed off the earth in Noah's days by the flood? Yes, but this next time with God's consuming fire there will be a difference with destruction. It's going to 'change' everyone to the "spiritual body" type, including the wicked/deceived (Isaiah 25). This is a major mystery for many still today when it really shouldn't be, since it is so close to coming to pass today.

 

 

 

Hi Salty,

 

Well I can see that God is going to destry this earth literally, by melting it, but only after the 1000 years.  That's all I'm saying.  As for everybody being changed into a spiritual body type, even the wicked at the coming, I strongly disagree.  As I see it, the wicked dead who are in their graves will stay there until "the second death" (White Throne Judgement)  They have died once, now will face judgement only to die again (lake of fire).  This is after the 1000 years.  No inbetween, and not brought back to contaminate again, just awaiting judgement now.

 

Only those who died in Christ will be resurrected into spirit at the coming.  This is our reward.  The same reward does not go to the wicked. 

 

 

The survivors of the nations will be in the "spiritual body" like we all will be. This is why Jesus showed in John 5:28-29 that the "resurrection of damnation" will also manifest on the day of His return. So are the wicked dead of the nations going to be walking around in resurrected bodies, but others of the wicked still in flesh bodies for Christ's Millennium? No. God's consuming fire on earth will cause the wicked still alive to go through the 'change' at "the twinkling of an eye" also.

 

 

 

These survivors will still be multiplying.  They are still flesh.  In the kingdom area, a man will live to be a hundred years old, he will die of a ripe old age.  He will die in peace, blessed.  There will be no sinners in the kingdom area, but outside there will be. 

 

Isaiah 65:20   There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

 

Can you see that there is flesh here.  Flesh dies. 

If it is as you say, that even the dead wicked people are going to be brought back in a spiriual body, live, and die again to be judged,......then when they die, the scriptures should say that they will be facing "the third death"? 

Can you see what I mean?  There is only a second death.  They die twice, not three times.

 

The change from a body of corruption (flesh) to a body of incorruption (spiritual body) does NOT mean automatic Salvation through Christ Jesus. Just any mention at all of a "resurrection of damnation", regardless of when one believes it will occur, ought to show that clearly. Some surely are thinking, "What? the condemned are going to be resurrected too?" Yeah. "To what kind of body? another flesh body?" NO!, to the 'resurrection' type body, the spiritual body.

 

 

 1 Corinthians 15:42   So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

 

This scripture shows us that whoever is raised in the resurrection, is raised "perfect".  I'd say this transformation is "proof" of salvation.  It's not clear now who will be saved, but at the ressurrection, all who are gathered are the ones that received salvation.

 

This is why Rev.20 tells us the condemned only will still be subject to the "second death" during the 1,000 years. Per Rev.3:9, we're shown those of the "synagogue of Satan" coming to bow before the feet of Christ's elect, which also proves the condemned ("resurrection of damnation") will go through Christ's Millennium reign. They will be there, but in the spiritual body type also, but their soul ("this mortal") will still be in a liable to die state per the "second death", UNLESS they repent and convert to Christ Jesus during that time. And surely we know that group He called the "synagogue of Satan" are Christ's greatest enemies.

 

 

After the 1000 years.

Revelation 20:5   But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (this last bit is referring to verse 4)

 

 

 

Thus the order is:

 

1. Christ's coming on the day of The Lord - all alive on earth changed to the spiritual body, with those of the resurrection brought to earth, both Christ's saints, and the wicked dead.

2. Goats put on the left, Christ's sheep on His right. Christ's sheep inherit eternal Life (put on immortality); the goats do not.

3. Christ reigns with His elect over all. His saints reside on earth in the holy city where God's River and the tree of life is, the wicked and deceived reside outside the gates of the holy city (Rev.22:14-15). The "rod of iron" is for ruling over those nations of the condemned during the 1,000 years. Satan is locked in his pit prison.

4. After the 1,000 years, Satan is loosed out of his pit prison to deceive the nations, coming upon the "camp of the saints" on earth to destroy. God rains fire down from Heaven to destroy them, protecting the holy city.

5. The wicked and deceived left then appear before Christ at The Judgment to see if any of their names are found in the book of life. Those found are joined with His Church. Those not found are cast into the "lake of fire" along with the abode of hell and death.

6. God's new heavens and a new earth - Eternity with The full Godhead returning back to earth. Eden returning back to earth. God's abode with us on earth. No more temple on earth.

 

 

 

 

1.  Then the wicked should face "the third death"

2.  Yes, but this also happens in the 2nd judgement (white throne judgement)  They are judged "according to the books"  Some will be spared, doesn't mean all these spared knew Christ, because many died before the gospel of Christ came out, ...but they are judged according to their deeds, (heart).  They will be divided again.  The final sifting. The saints who were resurrected at Christ's coming will not be in this judgement, you know that. Only the dead from all past generations, and the future generations who will be born during the millennium wil take part in this. 

3. Yes

4. Yes

5. Yes

6. Yes, but it will be better than Eden.  Paradise was that Kingdom of God during the millennium, it was restored to look like Eden again.  Those living outside can come in to worship only, and visit.  Not dwell there.

 

Salty,

I am not disagreeing with you just for the sake of it.  You have your reasons and have explained your interpretation, and I have mine.  It's good that we can discuss like this.  We just have to put it all together with the scriptures.  I enjoy these conversations with someone that knows so much.

 

 

No one is literally in a grave waiting out Christ's coming. That's an expression. Eccl.12:5-7 showed what happens at death, as also Apostle Paul did in 2 Cor.5 and 1 Thess.4 with the idea of the saints that are "asleep". They are not literally asleep in literal graves. The asleep idea is a metaphor to show that they really are not 'dead', meaning their spirit, because their spirit went back to God when they died, like Eccl.12:5-7 teaches. Because of not understanding this some can't believe the "spirits in prison" Apostle Peter taught are actually about people that died, but instead are something else. But if some folks want to believe in a fairy tale, I guess that's alright, but it won't change what God's Word has declared about it.

 

So per your view, during Christ's 1,000 years, there's going to be a group of flesh people like the nations with dead souls walking around, along with the saints with resurrected bodies on earth too, and then spirits of the dead still asleep in a hole in the ground somewhere? Hardly.

 

There's no such thing as a 'third death'. That idea is nowhere written in God's Word, so you're just pulling things out of a hat now, showing there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.

[Guest Jesse]

Salty.

 

You are confused about spirit.

1.There is the breath of life,every one including animals have that.

2.There is God is a spirit. He also has a spirit; his will,his plan;what he wants done is his spirit.

3.The spirit of Christ,is what God wants; God's will.He has God's spirit.

4.The spirit of the flesh;is what men wants in his heart;his desires.

   Every man has his own desires and lusts.

The spirit of the flesh must be changed to the spirit of Christ.

The essence of a person will be judged;his works will be judged.

Which is his soul.

 

jesse.

[Sister]

No one is literally in a grave waiting out Christ's coming. That's an expression. Eccl.12:5-7 showed what happens at death, as also Apostle Paul did in 2 Cor.5 and 1 Thess.4 with the idea of the saints that are "asleep". They are not literally asleep in literal graves. The asleep idea is a metaphor to show that they really are not 'dead', meaning their spirit, because their spirit went back to God when they died, like Eccl.12:5-7 teaches.

 

 

This is what I understand.

When we are dead, we are really dead.  We know nothing.  Our spirit is not aware of anything.  It's just "on hold" for the time being.  Not in heaven, or anywhere.  It's dormant.  Preserved.

The expression of saying we are "asleep" when we die simply means we will be woken up at the resurrection.

This is when death is conquered, and not before....At the resurrection.

 

Ecclesiastes 12:7   Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

 

God owns our spirit (soul), therefore it belongs to him.  It doesn't belong to any other.

This just means our spirit is in God's hand when we die, and he can do whatever he wants with our spirit.

So doesn't necessarily mean our spirit is taken up to heaven straight away,

because the resurrection of the dead happens on earth, not in heaven.

Jesus was our example.  He rose from the dead here on earth, before he was taken up to meet his Father, (and for 3 days he was really dead)

If Jesus is the preeminance of everything, ...the first, why should it be different for us?

[Sister]

Because of not understanding this some can't believe the "spirits in prison" Apostle Peter taught are actually about people that died, but instead are something else. But if some folks want to believe in a fairy tale, I guess that's alright, but it won't change what God's Word has declared about it.

 

The spirit's in prison are the fallen angels from Genesis before the flood.  The ones that mingled with flesh and produced children.

It might seem like a fairy tale story to you, but to me, it's the biggest clue as to who these spirits in prison are;

 

Genesis 6:1   And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them.

Genesis 6:2   That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that were fair; and they took them wives of all which they choose.

Genesis 6:4   There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:5   And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly.

 

2Peter 2:4   For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement.

2Peter 2:5   And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood up the world of the ungodly.

 

Jude 1:6   and the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under  darkness unto the judgement of the great day.

Jude 1:7   Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 

1Peter 3:19   By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Peter 3:20   Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

 

Can you see these scriptures are all talking about the same thing?

The angels in the beginning mingled sexually with humans.  These angels were put into prison. 

In Sodom and Gomorah, humans fornicated also, we know about the homosexuals there, but they also went after strange flesh also.  This means that humans had sex with beasts, and possibly again with spirits.

I have heard that in the occult, humans having sex with spirits is not uncommon.

There is a famous singer out there now telling her story that it has happened to her many times, and she is endorsing this practise.

The angels before the flood are the ones put in prison, but what happened to their offspring?  All were killed in the flood, but after the flood there were giants again. This is a no no in the spirit world, as they have rules.  If they overstep the boundaries, then they are locked up, or else it will become like it was before the flood with giants again.

To say these spirits that Jesus preached to is dead men's ghosts, would be getting the scriptures mixed up.  Peter does not say that at all.  He says they are spirits.