GoldenEagle Posted November 5, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2014 There are a lot of Rich people in the Bible that are faithful servant of God. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Job, David, Solomon. All are rich and are blessed. Nothing wrong with being wealthy, how you use the wealth reflect what your relationship with God is, and that is what matters. Exactly. There is evidence in the NT too of Christians owning property. Mary, John Mark's mom, owned a house. Philemon owned a house. Prisca and Aquilla owned a house. Acts 12:12 When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying. Phil 1:1b-2 To Philemon our beloved fellow worker; And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house: Rom. 16:3-5 3 Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, 4 who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. 5 Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 5, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 5, 2014 There are a lot of Rich people in the Bible that are faithful servant of God. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Job, David, Solomon. All are rich and are blessed. Nothing wrong with being wealthy, how you use the wealth reflect what your relationship with God is, and that is what matters. Exactly. There is evidence in the NT too of Christians owning property. Mary, John Mark's mom, owned a house. Philemon owned a house. Prisca and Aquilla owned a house.Acts 12:12When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying.Phil 1:1b-2To Philemon our beloved fellow worker; And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house: Rom. 16:3-53 Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, 4 who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. 5 Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. God bless, GE I find it disconcerting that which Christ warned of in this-Matthew 19:24-25 (KJV) [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. [25] When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? I wonder why they didn't argue with the same as some- Abraham, Job, etc. was rich? Instead it was "who can be saved?" Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted November 5, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2014 There are a lot of Rich people in the Bible that are faithful servant of God. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Job, David, Solomon. All are rich and are blessed. Nothing wrong with being wealthy, how you use the wealth reflect what your relationship with God is, and that is what matters. Exactly. There is evidence in the NT too of Christians owning property. Mary, John Mark's mom, owned a house. Philemon owned a house. Prisca and Aquilla owned a house. Acts 12:12When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying. Phil 1:1b-2To Philemon our beloved fellow worker; And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house: Rom. 16:3-5 3 Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, 4 who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. 5 Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. God bless, GE I find it disconcerting that which Christ warned of in this-Matthew 19:24-25 (KJV) [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. [25] When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? I wonder why they didn't argue with the same as some- Abraham, Job, etc. was rich? Instead it was "who can be saved?" Love, Steven Again context is important in that passage of Matthew 19. The point of the passage was that the rich young man loved his possessions more than he loved God. It was idolatry in it's most basic form. But you didn't address the examples given from the NT Enoob. It can be clearly seen from the text that Philemon, Prisca (Priscilla) & Aquilla were Believers that were wealthy as they owned their own homes. John Mark's mother Mary could be argued to be a Believer as well. You discarded OT examples in a previous post so I provided NT examples: I explained to you why I believe we cannot use OT examples toward wealth brought forward today as they did not have the Revelation of NT teaching of all God is going to do unto eternity... Also interested in your thoughts on my God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Blessings to Everyone!!!!! I do love Fez's reply,,,,shall we go back there for one moment,is that okay?Only when we have poisoned all our rivers, modified all our food, and killed all our trees, will we come to the realization that we cannot eat money... posted by Fez I believe it was Willa that said "we are simply Gods stewards".....ah,yes indeed We cannot eat money,drink money,wear money or sleep under it to shelter us from the elements but yet it is essential for living in this world,,,but where does it come from?It all belongs to our Heavenly Father,everything that is made is made from Him,He made everything that makes a dollar bill,he makes the gold in which that bill represents ........and then we learn in His Word that "none should lack",,,,,,,,,,,,is it okay to have excess,yep.....but why does one have excess while one is in need?Can it be that the one has excess so that they can give to the one in need? I think that is good & right!!!!!Does one really need $30,000,000. dollars in the bank while an elderly widow cannot feed herself & has nowhere to sleep ?I don't believe that is good & right! I have sat on both sides of the fence,some good decisions ,some bad decisions & I will tell you,,,,God will allow you to be humbled to your knees if you really think with your flesh & you are so Blessed to be loved & chastised,to be taught the true meaning of wealth & yes,it is a matter of the heart & has nothing to do with money,,,,,,,,,,,,,Praise & Glory to God,I have learned to be content in every situation,,,,His Grace is sufficient & I am overflowing with riches................. With love-in Christ,KwikI am right there with you Sis... Those around us who have lack! The excess would become our judge... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) There are a lot of Rich people in the Bible that are faithful servant of God. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Job, David, Solomon. All are rich and are blessed. Nothing wrong with being wealthy, how you use the wealth reflect what your relationship with God is, and that is what matters. Exactly. There is evidence in the NT too of Christians owning property. Mary, John Mark's mom, owned a house. Philemon owned a house. Prisca and Aquilla owned a house. Acts 12:12When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying. Phil 1:1b-2To Philemon our beloved fellow worker; And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house: Rom. 16:3-5 3 Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, 4 who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. 5 Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. God bless, GE I find it disconcerting that which Christ warned of in this-Matthew 19:24-25 (KJV) [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. [25] When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? I wonder why they didn't argue with the same as some- Abraham, Job, etc. was rich? Instead it was "who can be saved?" Love, Steven Again context is important in that passage of Matthew 19. The point of the passage was that the rich young man loved his possessions more than he loved God. It was idolatry in it's most basic form. But you didn't address the examples given from the NT Enoob. It can be clearly seen from the text that Philemon, Prisca (Priscilla) & Aquilla were Believers that were wealthy as they owned their own homes. John Mark's mother Mary could be argued to be a Believer as well. You discarded OT examples in a previous post so I provided NT examples: I explained to you why I believe we cannot use OT examples toward wealth brought forward today as they did not have the Revelation of NT teaching of all God is going to do unto eternity... Also interested in your thoughts on my God bless, GE The basic understanding is the disciples response... they were amazed in Jesus' teaching on wealth "who then can be saved?" The New Testament is a transitory response from law to grace... the fullness of time in which Jesus told us all things The Father plans in accord to future event into eternity. This was not so in the OT and we must implement the revelatory responsibilities they held as not the same as we hold today! If we don't we do not understand this Luke 12:48 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. KJV As we have The Very God >The Holy Spirit< within us as a possession for all eternity as no other time in the histories with a complete revelation of what God plans to do- we bare the responsibilities of this "to whom much is given"... Peter is directly speaking to us here in this regard from all other times 1 Peter 1:9-13 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; KJV As you know the formation of these letters The Living New Testament whereby we are foundationed in the excellencies of His Word that will not pass away... summarized to this very extent-> give Glory to God by taking on the things that is (specific listed) as eternal keepings of God and give no place to that which He keeps not. Peter put it this way- 2 Peter 3:11-13 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. KJV It is very simple what manner ought we to be Col 3:1-2 3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. KJV I know the system and the consuming nature of commitment to obtaining wealth... I simply do not find any value in that pursuit! Rather I wish to walk in the freedom realities Jesus has formed for us in Spirit and live where I am not in body yet as I am already in s(S)pirit. This is life and peace for me and it is so glorious as unfettered to that which ends and invested completely into that which last forever Love, Steven Edited November 6, 2014 by enoob57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUS Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 15 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2014 It's not sin to be rich - It's sin to be greedy, let the love of money take over, and not give to the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udx Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 684 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 230 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/15/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2014 I feel that a lot of times some Christians preach against the wealthy out of envy or as excuse to not be financially educated themselves. This is just the same as what is happening in the general public, blaming their own failures on hardworking wealthy people, and trying to bring them down to their level by either force distribution or other means. Also being wealthy doesn't just having money (paper money is just an illusion really), it means having control or ownership. I would not think it would be wise for Christian company owners to sell all their assets, when they could make more positive impact representing Christian values through their company. There are preachers that preach against the rich and wealthy, then when they need financial support turns right back to those same people for assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I feel that a lot of times some Christians preach against the wealthy out of envy or as excuse to not be financially educated themselves. This is just the same as what is happening in the general public, blaming their own failures on hardworking wealthy people, and trying to bring them down to their level by either force distribution or other means. Also being wealthy doesn't just having money (paper money is just an illusion really), it means having control or ownership. I would not think it would be wise for Christian company owners to sell all their assets, when they could make more positive impact representing Christian values through their company. There are preachers that preach against the rich and wealthy, then when they need financial support turns right back to those same people for assistance. One need only to study Jesus' life to see He was completely unfettered by the foray of the above thinking...Matt 22:17-21 17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. KJV Divided out here by Jesus is a clear distinction of the possessive nature of money... as Jesus taught that monetary system would not continue- Isa 55:1-3 55 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. 2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. 3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. KJV Imagine a value system completely comprised of the unlimited nature of God ... the monetary system could not and will not exist-> for how could that which is least and that which is greatest be the same in an eternal plain? This is where we must spend our time in preparing our hearts or else 'how will Christ know us?'... We are not home family and this system is not set up for are progress toward that home nor does it yield to the ease of obtaining as suggested by God here- Matt 6:31-34 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. KJV rather the persuasive posture of wealth is this way Luke 12:16-31 16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: 17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? 18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. 20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God. 22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. 24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? 25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? 26 If ye then be not able t o do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? 27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? 29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. KJV These teachings of The Lord are juxtaposed to the system we are in Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udx Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 684 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 230 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/15/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2014 I hope you didn't quote Luke to show that you ought not to work or plan for the future. God require everyone to work ever sense He created us starting with the first job in the Eden. It is irresponsible to not plan for the future, the key is not to worry about it and put it in God's hands. I am quiet confused at what point you are trying to make. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 ESV For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I hope you don't luke to show that you ought not to work or plan for the future. God require everyone to work ever sense He created us starting with the first job in the Eden. It is irresponsible to not plan for the future, the key is not to worry about it and put it in God's hands. I am quiet confused at what point you are trying to make. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 ESVFor even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.Be obedient to the following of The Lord in imitation as we are told by Paul1 Cor 10:33-11:133 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit,but the profit of many, that they may be saved. 11 Be ye followers ofme, even as I also am of Christ.KJVWe must start here when we have died with ChristMatt 4:44 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by breadalone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.KJV This is the obedience of the Luke Passage... TheScripture doesn't become clear to the mind till we dismiss the uselessstuff that is in place of 1st born realities... the commitment level to TheLord cannot be anything less than all. Satan knows this so he ushers inrational of world and system -however- we are to be without influence ofsuch if we are walking in obedience to our Lord in present state of mindCol 3:1-23 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, whereChrist sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above,not on things on the earth.KJVLove, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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