8 people shot at church in SC

[D-Dawn]

The shooter invested a lot of time indoctrinating himself with hate group material. He was a willing "hater." His massacre was planned and thought out. His heart is so cold he shot people who did nothing but treat him in love for an hour because he opened fire on them.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Hatred and racism is a part of the human experience and is in every country in the world.   Racism is a spiritual problem and no amount of activism will solve the problem.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

 

TWICE as many people have been killed by homegrown extremists, as opposed to islamic extremists since 9/11. White supremacists have tried to kill the President (Obama) I imagine they are responsible for burning down the Church in North Carolina that happened on the 18th, it is a SERIOUS problem where people die and have their lives put in jeaporday and I believe it should be treated more seriously than how you have just addressed this.

 

The problem is this isn't the Islamic State, it's a cultural shift that needs to take place within America, and that means everyone has to put that effort forward towards understanding and empathy, abandoning and abolishing racism and hatred instead of sitting idly by while it happens. 

 

I never said it wasn't a serious problem, but neither is the epidemic that liberals like you try to paint it out to be.    Racism is in every country and you will never get rid of it. and it is not a cultural problem, but a spiritual problem that only biblical Christianity has the answer to.   The only person who can solve the race problem is Jesus.   The world is helpless in this regard. I could not care less what some liberal rag like the  NY Slimes has to say.

 

Racism in the US is not even close to infecting the majority of people in the US.  Whites made Oprah the richest woman in the US.   Whites have made black athletes some of the highest paid in all fields of sports.  Many of the highest paid athletes in the US are black.    More whites died in 2014 than were born, due in part to the prevalence of inter-racial marriage.   The whites in this country elected a black president twice.

 

So  you can blather on and on about the problem of race, but it is not as bad as people like you falsely trump it up to be.    

 

I would also point out that since Roof attacked bible believing Christians, you got a first hand look at how real Christians answer racism.   You saw forgiveness.   In Charleston, we did not have a bunch rioters foaming at the mouth and burning down half a city block.    We did not have calls for anyone's death, not even the death of gunman.   What you saw is what we should have seen in Ferguson and Baltimore instead of the riots and so-called "protests."   What you saw in Charleston (and I know this bugs you)   is whites and blacks linking arms and praying and worshiping God and praying for each other in churches in Charlestons.   What you saw was REAL racial unity in that southern town.    

 

Liberals, to their dismay, can't turn Charleston into a hate fest. They didn't get to paint Charleston as a racist "white supremacist" city.  They can't turn Charleston into something ugly.  The liberals didn't get to hold up Dylann Roof as the typical white man of Charleston.

 

Charleston is a good demonstration as to why the Left is so dangerous, divisive, racist and morally bankrupt.   The irony is that it is liberals who are the racists.

[Uncertain]

Can you point out even one mass shooting that was followed by riots? I cannot think of any. Yet you keep bringing up this notion that people were expecting riots. Your biased view of liberals is not very much different than Roofs view of non-whites. My in-laws are card carrying Democrats and proud to carry the title liberal. They are 1000 times less biased than you. There are approximately 55 million adults that consider themselves liberal, and you paint them all with the same brush. You seems to be the very thing you rant against.

[Guest shiloh357]

Can you point out even one mass shooting that was followed by riots? I cannot think of any.

 

Irrelevant.   Can you imagine the outrage if the police officer in Ferguson would have killed more than one black person???    Why would killing more people result in less rioting?   You're irrational as always.

 

Yet you keep bringing up this notion that people were expecting riots.

 

They were, which is why the news reporters covering the event were gob smacked at the immense level of forgiveness they saw.    Compared to what they saw in Ferguson and Baltimore, this should have generated far more outrage and violence, but that wasn't the case.   It is preciesely because of what happened earlier this year and last year that people were expecting violent outrage and were so surprised at the racial unity and forgiveness that was displayed.

 

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Your biased view of liberals is not very much different than Roofs view of non-whites.

 

Not true.   I think liberals have every right to say what they want and not be killed for it.   My opposition to liberals is ideologically based and their ideology is morally bankrupt and is ironically, "racist."  

 

My in-laws are card carrying Democrats and proud to carry the title liberal.

 

Being a liberal is nothing to be proud of,  given that liberal polices are a complete and utter failure.

 

They are 1000 times less biased than you.

 

LOL   I am not buying that.   

 

There are approximately 55 million adults that consider themselves liberal, and you paint them all with the same brush. You seems to be the very thing you rant against.

 

 

I am not painting them with anything.  Liberal polices which liberals support have shown to be bankrupt and liberals, are at the heart of the problems of this country.  I am not afraid to say that liberals have wholeheartedly supported socialist, progressive ideologies like the one that gave the train wreck of Obamacare.   Liberals gave us  Obama, the worst president in US history.   Liberals have promoted racism, antisemitism and frankly have been very bad for this country due to their irresponsible policies.   Liberal polices basically boil down to spending money we don't have, and growing government, nationalizing everything.   Liberalism today is why we have homosexuality being taught in public schools, why we allow Islam special privileges in this country and why Islamic religious freedom is growing and why Christian freedom of religion is being curtailed.

 

It is because of liberalism that we are saddled with more debt in over 6 years than in all other presidencies compined.   We are forced to take on a health care system that is more like something you see in Russia or Europe.   

 

The Left, in 2010, owned the presidency, and the House and Senate.  They had a filibuster proof majority and a veto proof majority.   They held all the levers of power and they didn't lift a finger to help anyone.  All they did is create policies destined to turn the US into a third world country.   We had a better healthcare system than anyone.   People were coming to the US for medical care to get away from the kind of health care system we have now because of the president and his liberal kronies.

 

Liberalism is a cancer in this country. The Left in our government has proven that they are incompetent to run this country, their policies have failed over and over and over.     Liberalism is a disgrace.

[Uncertain]

The riots in Ferguson was not due to a white cop shooting a black man, that is a common occurrence in the St Louis area. The Baltimore riots were not about a white cop killing a black man, as 50% of the cops involved were themselves black. Both events had more to do with a perceived (incorrectly as it was) lack of justice. The only way the Charleston event compares would be if Story had not been charged with a crime.

As it is, the aftermath of the shooting in Charleston is very much the same as after every other mass shooting. The idea anyone was expecting riots is just a fantasy brought on by your extreme biases.

[Guest shiloh357]

The riots in Ferguson was not due to a white cop shooting a black man, that is a common occurrence in the St Louis area.

 

Actually that is precisely what it was about.  It was touted to be the result of a "racist"  white cop shooting an unarmed black kid.   That is what sparked the riots.   Sorry, but you don't have the right to change the facts.

 

The Baltimore riots were not about a white cop killing a black man, as 50% of the cops involved were themselves black. Both events had more to do with a perceived (incorrectly as it was) lack of justice.

 

Yes, it was seen as a lack of justice.  Both deaths were seen as unjust actions by cops and riots ensued before any evidence was in. 

 

The only way the Charleston event compares would be if Story had not been charged with a crime.

 

 

Your operating from the assumption that the rioters are rational people.   The "rioters"  in Baltimore didn't stop rioting even after the police were arrested and charged with a crime.

 

As it is, the aftermath of the shooting in Charleston is very much the same as after every other mass shooting.

 

The other mass shootings were done by mentally unstable people.

 

Dylann Roof planned and calculated this killing.  He was not mentally unstable person who was off in la la land.   He knew what he was doing, wanted to do it planned it out and stated his reasons.   In the other cases, the murderers simply walked in and started shooting and in the Connecticut case, we still don't know the actual motive.

 

This was a mass shooting, but to argue that it matches other mass shootings or that that there has to be one-to-one comparison with Ferguson or Baltimore in order for there to have been riots is just something that is too irrational to accept.

 

The TRUTH is that the blacks and whites in Charleston are cut above what you saw in Baltimore and Ferguson.  The rioters in Ferguson thought they were getting paid by MORE to protest and they were bused in from other cities to be paid protesters.  The rioters in Ferguson and Baltimore were racists at heart, some of them were flying ISIS flags in Ferguson.   

 

What you saw in Charleston was real Christianity and forgiveness and the rejection of the liberal, low-brow ideology behind the Ferguson riots and the refusal to accept justice.   The rioters in Baltimore and Ferguson didn't call for justice, but vengeance.

 

The idea anyone was expecting riots is just a fantasy brought on by your extreme biases.

 

No, it was based on history and the unexpected surprise by many in the media who expected riots and were unable to explain the forgiveness they saw.   It took the wind out of their sails.

[Uncertain]

There have been black people shot by white police both before and after Brown without riots, for your myopic view to be correct there would need to be a riot every time, which of course there is not. You are basically just too biased to view these things rationally.

Are you claiming that Holmes, Lanza, Harris and Klebold did not plan and calculate their killing sprees? That is really what you are going to try and hang your hat on? Have you read about the planning that Harris and Klebold did? It was intricate and exact.

Holmes bought his guns over the course of months, choose the theater on its out of the way location and easily locked doors. He even choose the midnight showing to cut down on the number of children in the theater.

Your lack of any actual knowledge of these cases is astounding, to say the least. But it is in line with your biased view of things.

Edited June 26, 2015 by Uncertain

[Guest shiloh357]

There have been black people shot by white police both before and after Brown without riots, for your myopic view to be correct there would need to be a riot every time, which of course there is not. You are basically just too biased to view these things rationally.

 

But the riots in Ferguson were under the pretext that Brown was trying to surrender and was unarmed when he was shot and because he was black.  And that was a false narrative, but that was the narrative the left went with and "hands up, don't shoot"   became a rallying cry even though it was based on a lie.    Not every killing of a black man fell under that pretext.  In many cases, it was armed black men killed by cops in a gun fight.

 

Are you claiming that Holmes, Lanza, Harris and Klebold did not plan and calculate their killing sprees?

 

Not the way that this kid did.  It is not the same, not by a long shot.

 

Holmes bought his guns over the course of months, choose the theater on its out of the way location and easily locked doors. He even choose the midnight showing to cut down on the number of children in the theater.

 

You are confused between calculated vs. pre-meditated.    Holmes IS mentally disturbed.   That has been    Roof has a cause a belief that motivated him.  It was based on cold-blooded hate and not delusions. 

 

I would also add that the mass killing at Columbine was responded to with forgiveness similar to what we saw in Charleston.

 

  It rather hypocritical for you to criticize me for using examples that don't compare with the events Charleston, while you build your arguments on events that also do not really compare with Charleston.

[Uncertain]

 

I would also add that the mass killing at Columbine was responded to with forgiveness similar to what we saw in Charleston.

 

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As have all other mass killings, which has been my point all along. Yet you are creating this fantasy narrative that people expected a different reaction or that the Charleston reaction was somehow different.

[Burning_Ember]

 

 

Hatred and racism is a part of the human experience and is in every country in the world.   Racism is a spiritual problem and no amount of activism will solve the problem.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

 

TWICE as many people have been killed by homegrown extremists, as opposed to islamic extremists since 9/11. White supremacists have tried to kill the President (Obama) I imagine they are responsible for burning down the Church in North Carolina that happened on the 18th, it is a SERIOUS problem where people die and have their lives put in jeaporday and I believe it should be treated more seriously than how you have just addressed this.

 

The problem is this isn't the Islamic State, it's a cultural shift that needs to take place within America, and that means everyone has to put that effort forward towards understanding and empathy, abandoning and abolishing racism and hatred instead of sitting idly by while it happens. 

 

I never said it wasn't a serious problem, but neither is the epidemic that liberals like you try to paint it out to be.    Racism is in every country and you will never get rid of it. and it is not a cultural problem, but a spiritual problem that only biblical Christianity has the answer to.   The only person who can solve the race problem is Jesus.   The world is helpless in this regard. I could not care less what some liberal rag like the  NY Slimes has to say.

 

Racism in the US is not even close to infecting the majority of people in the US.  Whites made Oprah the richest woman in the US.   Whites have made black athletes some of the highest paid in all fields of sports.  Many of the highest paid athletes in the US are black.    More whites died in 2014 than were born, due in part to the prevalence of inter-racial marriage.   The whites in this country elected a black president twice.

 

So  you can blather on and on about the problem of race, but it is not as bad as people like you falsely trump it up to be.    

 

I would also point out that since Roof attacked bible believing Christians, you got a first hand look at how real Christians answer racism.   You saw forgiveness.   In Charleston, we did not have a bunch rioters foaming at the mouth and burning down half a city block.    We did not have calls for anyone's death, not even the death of gunman.   What you saw is what we should have seen in Ferguson and Baltimore instead of the riots and so-called "protests."   What you saw in Charleston (and I know this bugs you)   is whites and blacks linking arms and praying and worshiping God and praying for each other in churches in Charlestons.   What you saw was REAL racial unity in that southern town.    

 

Liberals, to their dismay, can't turn Charleston into a hate fest. They didn't get to paint Charleston as a racist "white supremacist" city.  They can't turn Charleston into something ugly.  The liberals didn't get to hold up Dylann Roof as the typical white man of Charleston.

 

Charleston is a good demonstration as to why the Left is so dangerous, divisive, racist and morally bankrupt.   The irony is that it is liberals who are the racists.

 

If it's a serious problem what do you want to DO about it? I'm looking for your direct, active solution.

 

This shooter was radicalized by hate groups in a way not really much different than the way IS radicalizes people. This was a terrorist attack that killed more people than the boston marathon bombing.

 

What are you going to do about it? What should others actively do?

 

The obvious solution is to teach people empathy, forgiveness, and understanding, and to confront discriminatory and racist ideologies where they exist in America, not to throw ones hands up in the air and say that racism will always exist.