JohnD Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Saints = the human beings who are in the will of God according to the amount of his revelation in their lifetime.Jews who reject Jesus are not saints. Just because they were called saints in the past during the Old Covenant does not mean Revelation 13:10 refers to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2015 Which saints? We have the saints within the Church (already raptured), and we also have Tribulation Saints (who will all be beheaded -- Rev 20:4). Are you saying that the rapture has already happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 666 is why the census of David was so heinous. I mean the guy not only committed adultery but had her husband killed... and a little census taking caused the three days of tribulation across the land??? Because this was prophetic. As David at times was prophetic of the Messiah he was also at times prophetic of the false messiah (antichrist). And 666 will be a census device of sorts exposing and weeding out for beheading the one people who will not accept the mark of the beast: Christians.The rapture will take place on day 1335 of the 70th Week of Daniel (Daniel 12:12). This is not date setting since we will not know for certain when the 70th Week actually starts until the temple sacrifice is abated on day 1230. That much time evading capture, begging, borrowing, laying low just to survive means the numbers of believers left by then will be extremely few. And their sudden disappearance will go virtually unnoticed from being so deep in hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2015 666 is why the census of David was so heinous. I mean the guy not only committed adultery but had her husband killed... and a little census taking caused the three days of tribulation across the land??? Because this was prophetic. As David at times was prophetic of the Messiah he was also at times prophetic of the false messiah (antichrist). And 666 will be a census device of sorts exposing and weeding out for beheading the one people who will not accept the mark of the beast: Christians.The rapture will take place on day 1335 of the 70th Week of Daniel (Daniel 12:12). This is not date setting since we will not know for certain when the 70th Week actually starts until the temple sacrifice is abated on day 1230. That much time evading capture, begging, borrowing, laying low just to survive means the numbers of believers left by then will be extremely few. And their sudden disappearance will go virtually unnoticed from being so deep in hiding. John are you pre trib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 LOL. I am what the title of the thread suggests.Pre-Great-Tribulation AND Mid-70th Week of Daniel AND Post-Believer's-Tribulation.Point being, all three eschatology camps were correct. They just got the 70th Week of Daniel itself wrong. It is two 3.5-year tribulations not one 7-year tribulation.The 7 years is divided in two in several ways in scripture:time + times + 1/2 a time1260 days42 monthsYet most persist clumping it all together as one 7-year tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 This is not typical mid-trib, btw. Traditional mid-trib misinterprets the 70th Week of Daniel as one 7-year tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2015 I am confused so you are mid trib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Mid-70th Week.Which is also post-tribulation of the saintsand pre-tribulation of Jacob's trouble (the Great tribulation).Again, this is not typical mid-trib eschatology.Traditional mid-trib eschatology misinterprets the 70th Week of Daniel as one 7-year tribulation. Hint hint read the chart above. Day 1335 of the 70th Week of Daniel (which in total is 2520 days) is the day the blessed are to wait for. Daniel 12:12. Edited August 27, 2015 by JohnD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2015 Which saints? We have the saints within the Church (already raptured), and we also have Tribulation Saints (who will all be beheaded -- Rev 20:4). Are you saying that the rapture has already happened?What I am saying is that (a) in relation to the Tribulation, the Rapture has already happened and (b) if all the saints including the whole Church on earth goes through the Tribulation, then ALL the saints would be beheaded (whether it is in the middle of the 70th week is immaterial). Since that is not supported by Scripture, the Tribulation Saints are a separate group on whom the Antichrist makes war and kills them, and they are then resurrected prior to the Millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2015 Pre-Great-Tribulation AND Mid-70th Week of Daniel AND Post-Believer's-Tribulation.This is awfully convoluted and complicated. And since God is NOT complicated (hence the "simplicity of Christ), you might have to un-complicate things for yourself. The K-I-S-S principle is always valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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