gdemoss Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 17, 2016 17 hours ago, thereselittleflower said: God didn't "Father" Jesus. not in the sense of procreation. Jesus was not the result of procreation. He was the result of the Incarnation. The incarnation is God becoming man. Ok lets remove all verbage that brings about strife and contention over words. What prevents spirits from doing what God did if God is spirit? Is there scripture we can look to for an answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 17, 2016 19 hours ago, n2thelight said: 26. NOAH "PERFECT". (GEN. 6:9). The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish in Ex. 12:5; 29:1. Lev. 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18. Num. 6:14; 28:19, 31; 29:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36. Ezek. 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13. Without Spot. Num. 19:2; 28:3, 9, 11; 29:17, 26. Undefiled. Ps. 119:1. This shows that Gen. 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Ap. 23 and 25. http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOliveBranch/append26.html Interesting concerning purity of pedigree. How do any of is know our personal pedigree purity? Does this have anything to do with why he is the beast that goes into perdition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Ok lets remove all verbage that brings about strife and contention over words. What prevents spirits from doing what God did if God is spirit? Is there scripture we can look to for an answer? But this is it gdemoss - words mean something. We can't just be throwing words around willy nilly like that. Procreation is not Incarnation. Procreate means to reproduce God did not reproduce Himself. He came down from heaven and was INCARNATED (not procreated) in the womb of Mary in the person of Jesus. God became embodied in Jesus. Angels do not have sex with women, procreate - ie reproduce, and then become embodied in their offspring. What prevents spirits from doing what God did? GOD DOES! The Incarnation was a singular event in our salvific history. It is reserved for God alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Thank you And I would question those books as I would question much that came out of the 1800's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2016 19 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Interesting concerning purity of pedigree. How do any of is know our personal pedigree purity? Does this have anything to do with why he is the beast that goes into perdition? See the problem is most ,the mass majority of people believe that we all came from Adam and Eve,that is simply not true.Christ had to come through that bloodline,and satan tried to destroy that line.he did it first in the Garden 2nd was Gen 6 3rd was when all the males of a certain age were killed Matthew 2:16 "Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men." The finally was of the tempting of Christ himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, n2thelight said: See the problem is most ,the mass majority of people believe that we all came from Adam and Eve,that is simply not true.Christ had to come through that bloodline,and satan tried to destroy that line.he did it first in the Garden 2nd was Gen 6 3rd was when all the males of a certain age were killed Matthew 2:16 "Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men." The finally was of the tempting of Christ himself So you deny the truth of the scripture that say that all men (men and women) are descended from Adam? 1 Cor 15 21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 17, 2016 47 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: But this is it gdemoss - words mean something. We can't just be throwing words around willy nilly like that. Procreation is not Incarnation. Procreate means to reproduce God did not reproduce Himself. He came down from heaven and was INCARNATED (not procreated) in the womb of Mary in the person of Jesus. God became embodied in Jesus. Angels do not have sex with women, procreate - ie reproduce, and then become embodied in their offspring. What prevents spirits from doing what God did? GOD DOES! The Incarnation was a singular event in our salvific history. It is reserved for God alone. It is perfectly logical to believe God does but outside of your personal reasoning do you have any evidence to support that God does prevent angels from incarnating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, gdemoss said: It is perfectly logical to believe God does but outside of your personal reasoning do you have any evidence to support that God does prevent angels from incarnating? Have angels been empowered to create? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 17, 2016 24 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: Have angels been empowered to create? Please use scripture to show God has prevented spirits from incarnation. Can you do that or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 17, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Please use scripture to show God has prevented spirits from incarnation. Can you do that or no? Since that would require proving a negative, that God has not empowered them to create, and one cannot prove a negative with evidence (for I would have to quote every single verse to prove the negative and I am sure that is not allowed here) the burden then falls on the one asserting the positive claim, that God has empowered them to create. Can you produce any scripture that says God has empowered them to create? If not, then there is no scriptural basis for claiming they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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