ayin jade Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, SIC said: So ok I wish to ask this. If a Gentile believer walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation. Will he welcomed as a brother in Christ or spurned as Gentile????? I should add, I have gone to Messianic congregations that George has preached in. Jewish and gentile believers in Christ have been welcomed as brothers and sisters in Christ. No one is spurned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,438 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,633 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 OK. Thanks George and Jade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 hours ago, SIC said: So ok I wish to ask this. If a Gentile believer walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation. Will he welcomed as a brother in Christ or spurned as Gentile????? Suppose, Gentile is Messianic Jew. Absurd! Are you Jewish? If not than why do you need that for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,438 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,633 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ogner said: Suppose, Gentile is Messianic Jew. Absurd! Are you Jewish? If not than why do you need that for? Mere curiosity. I think I'm well within the rules in asking that question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, SIC said: Mere curiosity. I think I'm well within the rules in asking that question... And I think I'm well within the rules in asking questions too... If a Gentile walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation. Question is, why did he want that? Edited June 1, 2016 by Ogner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,438 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,633 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Probably curiosity again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 59 minutes ago, Ogner said: Suppose, Gentile is Messianic Jew. Absurd! Are you Jewish? If not than why do you need that for? Why not? Many Gentile enjoy fellowshipping with Messianic Jews in Messianic Jewish congregations. Why would a Gentile NOT want that (unless they are anti-Semitic and don't like Jews)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, SIC said: Probably curiosity again If a Gentile walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation just out of curiosity. He will welcomed as a tourist. That's not what you asked, right? Once again. If a Gentile walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation. Question is, why did he want that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 13 hours ago, Joline said: I will look to official scholars and leaders within the movement. Mark's book on this subject is advertised on the umjc site, as well as the messianic Jewish rabbinical council. he is also of course not without affiliation with the imaacs and mjaa. Rabbi Mark Kinzer Releases New Book MJRC Rabbi Dr. Mark Kinzer has just released Searching Her Own Mystery, which promises to become a major resource in Messianic Jewish dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church and the Christian world in general. Rabbi Kinzer argues that the Church has yet to explore adequately the implications of the seminal Catholic document Nostra Aetate for Christian self-understanding. The publication announcement from Cascade Books states: The new Catholic teaching concerning Israel should produce fresh perspectives on the entire range of Christian theology, including Christology, ecclesiology, and the theology of the sacraments. To this end, Kinzer proposes an Israel-ecclesiology rooted in Israel-Christology in which a restored ecclesia ex circumcisione—the “church from the circumcision”—assumes a crucial role as a sacramental sign of the Church’s bond with the Jewish people and genealogical-Israel’s irrevocable election And from the rabbinical council his credentials Dr. Kinzer is Rabbi of Congregation Zera Avraham in Ann Arbor, Michigan, President Emeritus of Messianic Jewish Theological Institute, and former chairman of the UMJC Theology Committee. His credentials within the movement speak for itself. I do not know who you speak for, no disrespect intended Qnts. Which is like using Bart Ehrman as the baseline by which to judge Christianity and the Bible. Bart Ehrman is a major Bible scholar, has degrees from evangelical seminaries and teaches at a university and has written several books and articles. But his views about the Bible are erroneous and most Christians scholars reject his views. But he is widely used by skeptics of Christianity because of his credentials. There are plenty of other scholars in Messianic Judaism whose credentials are even more impressive than Kinzer's and who reject Kinzer's views. So to use the lowest common denominator, as the standard by which Messianic Judaism is judged is unfair. Dr. John Fischer would be a far better person to consult on Messianic Judaism than Kinzer. To many people grab an erroneous Messianic teacher and hold him up as representative of Messianic Judaism and judge the entire movement by one person's point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted June 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,438 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,633 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, Ogner said: If a Gentile walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation just out of curiosity. He will welcomed as a tourist. That's not what you asked, right? Once again. If a Gentile walks into a Messianic Jewish congregation. Question is, why did he want that? Well there might be situations where the Gentile believer finds himself in a place with no churches only the Messianic synagogue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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