RealPresence Posted December 10, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 625 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 503 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/28/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, woundeddog said: so you are saying the Roman Catholic Church say you have to earn your salvation I would really appreciate it if you would stop lying. It's not only annoying - it illustrates your rebellion against God's commandment against it. I NEVER said that we earn our salvation. I said just the OPPOSITE. I said:Easy-believism is heresy.Works salvation is heresy. Does that sound like I said something about earning our salvation?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, RealPresence said: 12 minutes ago, woundeddog said: so you are saying the Roman Catholic Church say you have to earn your salvation I would really appreciate it if you would stop lying. It's not only annoying - it illustrates your rebellion against God's commandment against it. I NEVER said that we earn our salvation. I said just the OPPOSITE. I said:Easy-believism is heresy.Works salvation is heresy. Does that sound like I said something about earning our salvation?? first of all please don't accuse me of lying- I was simply asking you questions- there is also a commandment against false witness. In light of scripture I was aking you to define the RCC dogma on salvation. I am sorry if you find me annoying, but you did say you are here to dispel anti- catholic myths and false hoods. I also believe works salvation is heresy, and 1-2-3 pray with me salvation is just as bad. Salvation is a gift of the Holy Spirit and can not be counterfeited by emotion or physical action. and- I am not overly insulted but you have called me a liar, an ignoramus, and a moron. In christian love I would suggesst you go back and edit that out of your posts, if a MOD sees that you will get a nasty gram and be booted from this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2016 27 minutes ago, RealPresence said: It's not how YOU or I see the Gospel. It is what it IS. No not really, but that's ok. Let's depart here. This is exhausting. Goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 11, 2016 3 hours ago, RealPresence said: I didn't say that - JESUS did:Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved." I thought you knew him??How could you know Him if you don't know God's Word John the Baptist clarifies the meaning of the Baptism that a believer must have to be saved- it is not any form of water Baptism, it is the spiritual immersion into the character of God Himself- ( check the definition of the word baptize- it means to submerge, but not necessarily in water) "I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit." yes I agree a person MUST be baptized to see the kingdom of God- but it is not a Baptism of hands- as Jesus told Nicodemus- you can not see how the Spirit moves, but it is powerful. This Baptism is what produces the works of god in a persons life, but it does not occur until a person believes unto salvation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPresence Posted December 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 625 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 503 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/28/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 12/10/2016 at 4:00 PM, woundeddog said: first of all please don't accuse me of lying- I was simply asking you questions- there is also a commandment against false witness. In light of scripture I was aking you to define the RCC dogma on salvation. I am sorry if you find me annoying, but you did say you are here to dispel anti- catholic myths and false hoods. I also believe works salvation is heresy, and 1-2-3 pray with me salvation is just as bad. Salvation is a gift of the Holy Spirit and can not be counterfeited by emotion or physical action. and- I am not overly insulted but you have called me a liar, an ignoramus, and a moron. In christian love I would suggesst you go back and edit that out of your posts, if a MOD sees that you will get a nasty gram and be booted from this thread Can you point me to the posts where I called you a "moron"?? No - you can't. That is a bald face lie. Can you point me to the posts where I called you an "ignoramus"?? No - you can't. That is a bald face lie. I have NEVER called you a derogatory name so stop violating God's Commandment against bearing false witness. If you can show me where I call YOU or anybody else either of these names - I will leave this forum voluntarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPresence Posted December 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 625 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 503 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/28/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 12/10/2016 at 4:06 PM, Heb 13:8 said: No not really, but that's ok. Let's depart here. This is exhausting. Goodbye. It's always exhausting to be proven wrong. The Gospel is what it is. It does not conform to what YOU think it should be . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPresence Posted December 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 625 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 503 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/28/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 12/10/2016 at 7:03 PM, woundeddog said: John the Baptist clarifies the meaning of the Baptism that a believer must have to be saved- it is not any form of water Baptism, it is the spiritual immersion into the character of God Himself- ( check the definition of the word baptize- it means to submerge, but not necessarily in water) "I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit." yes I agree a person MUST be baptized to see the kingdom of God- but it is not a Baptism of hands- as Jesus told Nicodemus- you can not see how the Spirit moves, but it is powerful. This Baptism is what produces the works of god in a persons life, but it does not occur until a person believes unto salvation That's NOT what Jesus said. Jesus told Nicodemus that a person must be born from WATER and Spirit (John 3:5) or they cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 12, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 12/10/2016 at 5:00 PM, RealPresence said: You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. James is basically saying:"You believe that God is one - and that is enough, you moron?? Even the DEMONS believe in Him - so what good is your belief without works??" James text did not include "Ignoramus" or Moron- it is obvious you added the the word of God as a comment on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 12, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, RealPresence said: 5 minutes ago, RealPresence said: That's NOT what Jesus said. Jesus told Nicodemus that a person must be born from WATER and Spirit (John 3:5) or they cannot enter the Kingdom of God. again you misread scritpture- Jesus was talking about a second birth ( born again) by the spirit, and there must be a first birth ( natural birth) born of water -- when the natal water sack breaks--- nothing to do with baptism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPresence Posted December 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 625 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 503 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/28/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, woundeddog said: James text did not include "Ignoramus" or Moron- it is obvious you added the the word of God as a comment on me WRONG. The New American Bible uses the term "IGNORAMUS" in this passage.Secondly - I was showing you what James was saying to his READERS - not to YOU personally. Learn how to understand Scripture and stop blaming ME for what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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