Guest Teditis Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 In Galatians it seems clear to me that Paul was referring to the Mosaic Law and specifically circumcision. Paul was not making/expecting gentiles to fulfill the Mosaic Laws in order to be saved... it's clear in the whole text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Seeker Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2016 9 minutes ago, Teditis said: In Galatians it seems clear to me that Paul was referring to the Mosaic Law and specifically circumcision. Paul was not making/expecting gentiles to fulfill the Mosaic Laws in order to be saved... it's clear in the whole text. I have never said that you have to fulfill the law to be saved as a matter of fact I have said exactly the opposite that we are saved by grace. I am not disputing that point. Much of Galatians and Paul's other writings are dealing circumcision countering the argument of the Judaisers that it was required for salvation but the specific portion that I was countering was talking about Jews separating themselves from gentiles especially at meals which is not scriptural but is a rabbinic command. I think that we all agree that as Christians we should turn away from sin. Right? As I have asked before what is sin specifically? 1 John says that sin is the transgression of the law. When God gave the Torah He said that if you follow it you will live and be blessed and if you don't you will be cursed. The Bible clearly says that God does not change and I don't believe that He has changed His mind about the Torah either. There are parts of it that we cannot keep for various reasons but as far as how to live I believe it still applies. Businesses have codes of conduct, rules to live by if you work for that company. Is it really that hard to believe that almighty God would have a code of conduct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Christ is the Word, made flesh... that means He's the Torah made flesh. We follow Him now and the commands that He has given us which also mirror the OT Law. But the OT Law is merely our schoolmaster now... it is there to remind us of the Holiness of God, not to condemn us of sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Seeker Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Teditis said: Christ is the Word, made flesh... that means He's the Torah made flesh. We follow Him now and the commands that He has given us which also mirror the OT Law. But the OT Law is merely our schoolmaster now... it is there to remind us of the Holiness of God, not to condemn us of sin. So I am free to steal kill and destroy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Can you do that while remaining true to Christ's command to Love God with all your heart, strength, and mind and Love your neighbor as yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Seeker Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2016 So then you are agreeing with me that we are to follow a code of conduct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 12 minutes ago, Truth Seeker said: So then you are agreeing with me that we are to follow a code of conduct? Yes, indeed. One written on our hearts and mind by God and encouraged/reminded of by the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Seeker Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Teditis said: Yes, indeed. One written on our hearts and mind by God and encouraged/reminded of by the Holy Spirit. What do you think is written on our hearts? Deuteronomy 30:11-14New King James Version (NKJV) The Choice of Life or Death 11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. You see it has been that way from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I would say that it is the New Covenant that was spoken of in Jerimiah and reiterated by Jesus Himself... it is the fullness of the Kingdom come unto mankind. What it is not, is a set of laws written for a particular group of people (the Jews)... rather it's a law based on Love and not fear, that all peoples of the earth can fulfill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Seeker Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Teditis said: I would say that it is the New Covenant that was spoken of in Jerimiah and reiterated by Jesus Himself... it is the fullness of the Kingdom come unto mankind. What it is not, is a set of laws written for a particular group of people (the Jews)... rather it's a law based on Love and not fear, that all peoples of the earth can fulfill. And again! Exodus 12:49New King James Version (NKJV) 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.” It is not and never was just for the Jews! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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