Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 The anti-Christ is "undone" by God's desolations, the last of which, the Bowl Judgments, are poured out upon him. The anti-Christ, the King of the North, is victorious over the Kings of the South and East at Armageddon - thus becoming the first to conquer the whole world - the real "Risk" game of all of history as it will be - only to be defeated in Pyrrhic fashion by our Lord Christ Jesus and His Army: the 144,000 who never leave His Side (Rev 14:4) and is captured alive - not killed. The anti-Christ is the anti-Christ all through the one 'seven' - and until such time that he is destroyed in the Lake of Fire - being the first, along with the false prophet - to be thrown into it - and with the added distinction of being thrown in while still in his flesh and blood body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, douggg said: The person is no longer the King of Israel (the Antichrist) at that point because the Jews Israel will have rejected him as continuing as their King. Again, there is nothing in Scripture about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: Yes, I refer to Scripture. You refer to something that is not in Scripture. The King of the West - Obama? Trump? Prince Charles? We can go on and on in this game of pin-the-tail on the anti-Christ. There is no "King of the West" in end-time prophecy. If we're going to have a discussion of eschatology - then you're going to have to stick to the Bible. I have been giving scripture all along. When you give scripture - you are rendering an incorrect interpretation. You are not sticking with the Bible, but your (mis)interpretation and misunderstanding of it. And I have not said one word about naming the name of the person who becomes the little horn, then later the prince who shall, then later the Antichrist, then later the revealed man of sin, then later the beast..... in your assertion of pin-the-tail on the anti-Christ. However, I will concede that you are nor compatible for me to discuss eschatology with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: The anti-Christ is "undone" by God's desolations, the last of which, the Bowl Judgments, are poured out upon him. The anti-Christ, the King of the North, is victorious over the Kings of the South and East at Armageddon - thus becoming the first to conquer the whole world - the real "Risk" game of all of history as it will be - only to be defeated in Pyrrhic fashion by our Lord Christ Jesus and His Army: the 144,000 who never leave His Side (Rev 14:4) and is captured alive - not killed. The anti-Christ is the anti-Christ all through the one 'seven' - and until such time that he is destroyed in the Lake of Fire - being the first, along with the false prophet - to be thrown into it - and with the added distinction of being thrown in while still in his flesh and blood body! You say you go by the bible. Where are you reading "the Antichrist" in any passage you have referenced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 As far as the Jews go: 1. The first of the Remnant flee, escape; go into the wilderness - from Judea when the anti-Christ invades Israel and surrounds the "Holy Mountain" upon which the Temple is. (Olivet Discourse of Mt 24, Rev 12:6/14). 2. Another contingent flee Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord after Jesus touches down on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two. (Zec 14:4-5). 3. A third contingent will survive the whole of the God's Wrath in Jerusalem, having been spared on the Day of the Lord, (Eze 9:4), and surviving the final Great Earthquake which culminates the one 'seven' - Rev 11:13. 4. Finally, there will be Jews from around the world, (mostly women Isa 4) who survive the one 'seven' as well - and with the Meek who survive (Zec 8:23) start their sojourn to Mount Zion. At no time do they have an "anti-King of Israel" per se - except for that portion of the Great Tribulation prior to the Day of the Lord when the anti-Christ rules it as a conquered nation. Still, he is not "the" King of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: Again, there is nothing in Scripture about this. There is not a direct statement in the bible that the Jews will disown the person from continuing as their King of Israel when he claims to be God. It is inferred in Revelation 12:17 because the Remanent of Israel, stuck in Jerusalem, to be persecuted by Satan for the time, times, half times - have the testimony of Jesus and keep the commandments of God... that is, they will have become believers that Jesus is the messiah, the rightful King of Israel that God sent to them - but that they had errantly put their trust in the Antichrist person during the first half of the seven years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, douggg said: I have been giving scripture all along. Oh really? That's where I get my name by the way - Oh reallius? Perhaps you'd like to post your references as I have done. 9 minutes ago, douggg said: When you give scripture - you are rendering an incorrect interpretation. You are not sticking with the Bible, but your (mis)interpretation and misunderstanding of it. Oh, how nice. A blanket condemnation. You would care to be specific? Or are you just going to go with your interpretation of it as being the only correct one. I am not wrong just because I disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: 1. The first of the Remnant flee, escape; go into the wilderness - from Judea when the anti-Christ invades Israel and surrounds the "Holy Mountain" upon which the Temple is. (Olivet Discourse of Mt 24, Rev 12:6/14). Copy and paste and highlight the exact verses in Matthew 24 and Revelation 12:6/14 that contain the words "anti-Christ" - since you claim to be going by the bible. Highlight "anti=Christ" in any of those verses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, douggg said: There is not a direct statement in the bible that the Jews will disown the person from continuing as their King of Israel when he claims to be God. It is inferred in Revelation 12:17 because the Remanent of Israel, stuck in Jerusalem, to be persecuted by Satan for the time, times, half times - have the testimony of Jesus and keep the commandments of God... that is, they will have become believers that Jesus is the messiah, the rightful King of Israel that God sent to them - but that they had errantly put their trust in the Antichrist person during the first half of the seven years. This is ridiculous. There are two people in Rev 12:17. Rev 12:14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to (1) the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she *was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with (2) the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. The Jews do NOT hold onto the testimony of Christ Jesus - but eschew Him. They are like the woman lover of Songs of Solomon 5:5. The Remnant Jews are protected - Christians who DO hold onto the testimony of Jesus are persecuted to near extinction with the Great Tribulation. ___________________________________________________________ There are three human components to the Day of the Lord: 1. The Elect - who are resurrected from the Grave. Isa 26:19 Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.2. The Jews - who are not saved at that time with the Rapture Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course. 3. The Wicked - who are the blunt of God's Wrath. Isa 26:21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain. Edited January 10, 2017 by Marcus O'Reillius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 10, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, douggg said: Copy and paste and highlight the exact verses in Matthew 24 and Revelation 12:6/14 that contain the words "anti-Christ" - since you claim to be going by the bible. Highlight "anti=Christ" in any of those verses. False word test. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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