Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, n2thelight said: All those verses are the 2nd coming,which is as scripture states,after the trib,show me a verse where He comes before the trib That wasn't the question. You said: No Rapture. There is a Rapture. After the midpoint abomination of the talking image of the anti-Christ After the two laws worship or die/take the mark or don't buy/sell After the Great Tribulation which is shortened - abruptly - After the sun/moon/star event which heralds the Day of the Lord After the sign of the Son of Man/the scrolling of the sky - AND - Before the Wrath of God on the Day of the Lord. Before the first Trumpet is blown coincidently on the Day of the Lord. Before the two battles fought on the Day of the Lord in the OT. Before all the Wrath which takes up much of the second half of the one 'seven' Before the final battle at Armageddon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: That wasn't the question. You said: No Rapture. There is a Rapture. After the midpoint abomination of the talking image of the anti-Christ After the two laws worship or die/take the mark or don't buy/sell After the Great Tribulation which is shortened - abruptly - After the sun/moon/star event which heralds the Day of the Lord After the sign of the Son of Man/the scrolling of the sky - AND - Before the Wrath of God on the Day of the Lord. Before the first Trumpet is blown coincidently on the Day of the Lord. Before the two battles fought on the Day of the Lord in the OT. Before all the Wrath which takes up much of the second half of the one 'seven' Before the final battle at Armageddon. Technically speaking,that's not a rapture,Christ comes here,and we gather to Him.... Again show me a verse where Christ comes before the trib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, n2thelight said: Technically speaking,that's not a rapture,Christ comes here,and we gather to Him.... Again show me a verse where Christ comes before the trib? Huh? What the heck are you talking about? We gather to Him? What? We're just going to walk up and sit around and get some bread and fish? No - the Rapture is when we are GATHERED up. And again, you ask, so I'll ask too - show me a verse that says Christ doesn't come in a big, white Cadillac. You want to play games? What is this "trib" you speak of? That word is not in the Bible - just to play ultra-literal games with you back. And can't you read? Didn't I spell it out enough for you? I'm Pre-Wrath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 28 minutes ago, Keras said: Read Revelation 12. Verses 1-5 are about the birth and Resurrection of Jesus, then from verses 6-17 it is about those who keep God's Commandments and are His witnesses. Half of the Christians are taken to a place of safety on earth and half remain in the holy Land. The two groups as described in Daniel 11:32...those who keep the Covenant and those who agree to the peace treaty with the leader of the One World Govt. Isaiah 28:14-15 Also mentioned in Zechariah 14:1-2 Ok, that tells me nothing about the Church going into the seven year tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, missmuffet said: Where is Scripture that says that those who go through the Tribulation will be sealed? I think the Bible says the 12 tribes of Israel will be but not a gentile who you think goes through the seven year tribulation. One weakness of posttribulationism is the clear teaching of Scripture that those who are in Christ are not under condemnation and will never experience the wrath of God (Romans 8:1). While some judgments during the Tribulation specifically target the unsaved, many other judgments, such as the earthquakes, falling stars, and famines, will affect the saved and unsaved equally. Thus, if believers go through the Tribulation, they will experience the wrath of God, in contradiction of Romans 8:1. https://www.gotquestions.org/posttribulationism.html Do you understand the wrath of God?If so would you care to explain it? The falling stars are the angels being kicked out of Heaven,hope you not thinking that to be literal stars The famine is for hearing the Word of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: Huh? What the heck are you talking about? We gather to Him? What? We're just going to walk up and sit around and get some bread and fish? No - the Rapture is when we are GATHERED up. And again, you ask, so I'll ask too - show me a verse that says Christ doesn't come in a big, white Cadillac. You want to play games? What is this "trib" you speak of? That word is not in the Bible - just to play ultra-literal games with you back. And can't you read? Didn't I spell it out enough for you? I'm Pre-Wrath. Okay,when does Christ return you can call it what you will,but is it before or after the trib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, n2thelight said: Do you understand the wrath of God?If so would you care to explain it? The falling stars are the angels being kicked out of Heaven,hope you not thinking that to be literal stars The famine is for hearing the Word of God God's wrath is his strong anger,vengeance and punishment. We see it in the OT and his response to human sin and disobedience. In the NT we see it in the book of Revelation toward the unbelievers who will enter the seven year tribulation. The born again believer will not enter the seven year tribulation and will not experience God's wrath Revelation 3:10;Thessalonians 5:9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, missmuffet said: God's wrath is his strong anger,vengeance and punishment. We see it in the OT and his response to human sin and disobedience. In the NT we see it in the book of Revelation toward the unbelievers who will enter the seven year tribulation. The born again believer will not enter the seven year tribulation and will not experience God's wrath Revelation 3:10;Thessalonians 5:9. Where is one just one verse where Christ returns before the trib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 John 16:33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." When is the end,did He say endure until the rapture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, n2thelight said: Where is one just one verse where Christ returns before the trib? 1 Thessalonians 4:3-18;1 Corinthians 15:50-54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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