Guest shiloh357 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, OldSchool2 said: "Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.' "The disciples said to him, 'If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.' "Jesus replied, 'Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given...." Matthew 19:8-11 (NIV). And that doesn't include the Roman "church" God is the sole authority in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: And that doesn't include the Roman "church" God is the sole authority in this matter. When I quoted Matthew's Gospel I wasn't quoting Pope Frances. "Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery....'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: When I quoted Matthew's Gospel I wasn't quoting Pope Frances. "Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery....'" Right, but Jesus was addressing a problem with the religious leaders at that time. The Rabbis used the writ of divorce as a legal loophole if they were married, but saw a more attractive girl. They allowed divorce for any reason, so they would divorce their wives for frivolous reasons so that they could marry the younger more attractive girls. This left the divorced woman with little to no options. On her own with no male support, she was destined to be either a beggar or a prostitute. If she remarried without a valid divorce, then from the Divine standpoint, her remarriage to another man was adultery, as was the Rabbi who divorced her on frivolous grounds. Jesus was addressing that rabbinical excess. He was not making universal doctrine on marriage at that point. I don't think there is any biblical argument that could made for being against a woman who divorces a physically abusive husband as an act of self-preservation for herself and her children. Or if a man simply abandons the family and never comes home, there is nothing that would stop her from seeking a valid divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.63 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 42 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Right, but Jesus was addressing a problem with the religious leaders at that time. The Rabbis used the writ of divorce as a legal loophole if they were married, but saw a more attractive girl. They allowed divorce for any reason, so they would divorce their wives for frivolous reasons so that they could marry the younger more attractive girls. This left the divorced woman with little to no options. On her own with no male support, she was destined to be either a beggar or a prostitute. If she remarried without a valid divorce, then from the Divine standpoint, her remarriage to another man was adultery, as was the Rabbi who divorced her on frivolous grounds. Jesus was addressing that rabbinical excess. He was not making universal doctrine on marriage at that point. I don't think there is any biblical argument that could made for being against a woman who divorces a physically abusive husband as an act of self-preservation for herself and her children. Or if a man simply abandons the family and never comes home, there is nothing that would stop her from seeking a valid divorce. I am confused by what you are saying. Does the passage in Matthew concerning divorce only applies to the religious leaders of the day? In you view, is there a biblical prohibition against divorce and then remarriage for any reason other than marital unfaithfulness? In your view is there any biblical prohibition against the one that was unfaithful being remarried in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,738 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 8,551 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: In Trump's case yes as he's a Presbyterian, but his current wife is Roman Catholic and Pope Francis is the leader of her denomination. Still have no say, a marriage is between a man and a woman and God. There is no biblical reason to attack their marriage, and this is nothing more then a smear campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmaltzWeasel Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 4 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: Where is the smear here? By all means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmaltzWeasel Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 1 hour ago, The_Patriot2017 said: Still have no say, a marriage is between a man and a woman and God. There is no biblical reason to attack their marriage, and this is nothing more then a smear campaign. She's the first FLOTUS that was RCC since Jackie Kennedy. Now the left wing vipers in media have something to hate on. A new inroad. They smear Trump's hair, his skin color, imagine that one with Obama, his adult children, his youngest 12 year old son. Now they have the RCC faith of the First Lady. This same media that broadcasts all manner of programs that recall JFK and Jackie when they were alive. And the Hollywood studios recall Jackie in new movies designed to bring sympathy to the president and FLOTUS of old. But a living FLOTUS who's RCC? CHARRRRRRRRRGE! Just watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmaltzWeasel Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 2 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: "Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.' "The disciples said to him, 'If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.' "Jesus replied, 'Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given...." Matthew 19:8-11 (NIV). Jews. He was talking to Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.63 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, SchmaltzWeasel said: Jews. He was talking to Jews. So, are you saying that everything Jesus said to a Jew does not apply to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted June 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 1 hour ago, SchmaltzWeasel said: Jews. He was talking to Jews. And He is also Jewish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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