Guest shiloh357 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Kris said: Mass murder generally speaks to Islamic terrorism in this current day and age I would have thought, maybe I'm incorrect in my assumption? The only missing piece that obviously creates significant doubt is the typical Islamic shooter or bomber etc usually leaves a trail...but on second thoughts many don't, usually the group they are affiliated to makes the claim, would that be right? Yes, islamic terrorists usually like to inflict as much carnage as they can, but in the case of those being radicalized in the US, there are patterns have been pretty consistent, and this shooting doesn't fit the usual pattern of someone who was radicalized by ISIS or some other group. We always find that they have been on radical sites, reading Islamic radical literature, and usually making all kinds of claims on social media that indicate an Islamic radical bent. None of those elements are present. The only possibility I see is that if he was radicalized, the media and law enforcement are doing their dead-level best to hide those facts from us, which would not surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, Davida said: We will wait and see. I don't for one moment think he was a devotee to Islam. However he could have had radical political sympathies that way. Radical groups & hate-mongers with leftist ideologies have been seen joining at the protests against Trump. The police will have to investigate Isis claims. In Israel their investigation takes weeks- not within hours to determine if something was or was not terror linked. Generally, in the past, we know within less than a week if someone has been radicalized. They usually paint them as a "lone wolf" (which is a contradiction in terms). We shall see. It could be someone just out to kill some Republicans, like the guy who shot Scalise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 102 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, shiloh357 said: Yes, islamic terrorists usually like to inflict as much carnage as they can, but in the case of those being radicalized in the US, there are patterns have been pretty consistent, and this shooting doesn't fit the usual pattern of someone who was radicalized by ISIS or some other group. We always find that they have been on radical sites, reading Islamic radical literature, and usually making all kinds of claims on social media that indicate an Islamic radical bent. None of those elements are present. The only possibility I see is that if he was radicalized, the media and law enforcement are doing their dead-level best to hide those facts from us, which would not surprise me. Fair assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 102 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Davida said: Shilo, look for a news clip on Fox news : Vegas shooter targeted jet fuel tanks near concert. He was trying to penetrate them. I watched an interview with Aaron Cohen Israel Counter Terrorist expert. This was not just some crazy guy shooting concert goers. Agreed. This guy was very deliberate and planned thoroughly. Would be interesting to know how far back he had planned to commit this act or something similar. Doesn't fit the typical profile of your usual spur of the moment lunatic mass murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 102 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 5, 2017 5 hours ago, Running Gator said: Every Time you bring up ISIS you do their work for them in spreading terror. Every Time you post an article from some far right conspiracy theory site you lend credence that they did it and people will believe they did no matter what comes out. Then you throw more gas on the fire by disparaging the FBI so that when the FBI says it was not ISIS people will think they are lying. If it is proven that ISIS masterminded this then talk about it all you want, but all this rumor mongering prior to that happening only aids the enemy. Sorry you feel that way, its not my intention to upset you. MEMRI is a solid and reputable site, unfortunately I am not a subscriber so had to copy paste from Jihad Watch who happened to have the MEMRI articles on their site. Please do not put words in mouth, I'd be grateful if you could point out where I've said ISIS is responsible or the FBI are lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 102 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Las Vegas sheriff: Mass killer led a 'secret life' before attack The Las Vegas gunman behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history spent decades stockpiling guns and living a “secret life” that investigators may never be able to fully understand, police say. Clark County, Nev., Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said Wednesday that it was only logical to “make the assumption” that Stephen Paddock had “some help at some point” in pulling off Sunday's massacre. As evidence, Lombardo pointed to gunman Paddock’s huge arsenal, explosive materials found in his car and his meticulous planning. “What we know is Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood,” the sheriff said. Authorities also revealed that they believe Paddock had an escape plan, even though he turned the gun on himself as police closed in on his luxury suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. Paddock killed 58 people and injured hundreds in the attack as he fired from his room on the 32nd floor. Authorities were still searching for a motive. "Anything that would indicate this individual’s trigger point, that would cause him to do such harm, we haven’t understood it yet," Lombardo told reporters Wednesday. "Don't you think the concealment of his history of his life was well thought out?" Analyzing Paddock's computer, cellphone and other electronic devices, Investigators have found no obvious ideological motive, no clear connection to extremists or activist groups or outward display of mental illness, The Associated Press reported. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/05/las-vegas-sheriff-mass-killer-likely-had-some-help-at-some-point.html Edited October 5, 2017 by Kris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 102 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Running Gator said: Every Time you bring up ISIS you do their work for them in spreading terror. Forgive me, but this is totally absurd. Am I now a terrorist? I served and fought for my country, I fought alongside Americans at times in this ongoing war on terror, Americans that have similar views to myself. I know the threat to our freedom, I've defended it. I believe people need to acknowledge and accept it, unlike some who think turning a blind eye or remaining in denial will make it all just go away. Talking about the terrorist threat, or threats to our democracies in general makes us aware, I have the opposite opinion to yourself. Not discussing terrorism is a form of denial. There is no alternative way to combat terrorism other than to firstly accept it, confront it, fight it and annihilate it. Whether this is Islamic terrorism, domestic terrorism or some other form, it should be treated as such. Edited October 5, 2017 by Kris spelling correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.67 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2017 23 minutes ago, Kris said: Sorry you feel that way, its not my intention to upset you. MEMRI is a solid and reputable site, unfortunately I am not a subscriber so had to copy paste from Jihad Watch who happened to have the MEMRI articles on their site. Please do not put words in mouth, I'd be grateful if you could point out where I've said ISIS is responsible or the FBI are lying. You have repeatedly pushed the rumor that ISIS was involved even though there is zero evidence of them being so. I did not say you said the FBI was lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.67 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kris said: Forgive me, but this is totally absurd. Am I now a terrorist? I served and fought for my country, I fought alongside Americans at times in this ongoing war on terror. I know the threat to our freedom, I've defended it. I believe people need to acknowledge and accept it, unlike some who think turning a blind eye or remaining in denial will make it all just go away. Talking about the terrorist threat, or threats to our democracies in general makes us aware, I have the opposite opinion to yourself. I did not say you were a terrorist, I said you are helping them to spread terror by repeating rumors and innuendo. I to served and fought for my country, I know about the threat to our freedom also. That is how I understand how terrorist work and operate. Wild speculation and rumor mongering does not help the situation. You might as well be speculating that the guy was being controlled by aliens, there is the same amount of evidence for that as for him being part of ISIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Davida said: Shilo, look for a news clip on Fox news : Vegas shooter targeted jet fuel tanks near concert. He was trying to penetrate them. I watched an interview with Aaron Cohen Israel Counter Terrorist expert. This was not just some crazy guy shooting concert goers. I don't think he was crazy or anything like that. This was too planned out to the be work of someone who was crazy. I can't make the "Islamic radical" connection yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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