HAZARD Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 The Pope has revealed he wants to change the Lord's Prayer - as he thinks the current version implies that God pushes people toward sin. He said the line "lead us not into temptation", memorised by hundreds of millions of Christians for centuries, is based on a flawed translation. "It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," the Pope said. The implication is awkward for Christians, who believe it is Satan who tempts people to sin. "I am the one who falls. It's not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen," the Pope explained. "A father doesn't do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It's Satan who leads us into temptation, that's his department." The Pope's comments, made in an interview with Italian television, could lead to a change in the prayer, which is taken from the Bible and is considered by some to encapsulate the core messages of Christianity. The current version has been used by the Catholic Church since 1966, when the Second Vatican Council decided modern vernacular should be used in services instead of Latin. Before being translated from the Latin vulgate it was translated from ancient Greek. The original text was written in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus. Question marks over the temptation line are not new in Christian liturgical debate. The Catholic Church in France voted to last month to change to a translation approximating "do not let us enter into temptation", and Church of latter-day saints uses the adapted line "suffer us not to be led into temptation".https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/po ... spartanntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 This is the third thread I am seeing on the same topic! Seems to have generated quite a lot of interest May be efficient to combine all discussions into a single thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted December 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 I wonder what the Pope is going to do with this verse? Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 12, 2017 "And do not lead us into temptation..." The Greek word is peirasmos, which more literally means trial/testing/proving. Same term is used twice in Rev. 3:10, the second use in the form of the verb ( peirazō ) -- “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." Jesus made this promise only to the faithful Philadelphian Church, not the others. Elsewhere in Scripture, the Lord specifically chose to test his people on many occasions. Some examples: Ex. 20:20 And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” Judg. 7:4 But the LORD said to Gideon, “The people are still too many; bring them down to the water, and I will test them for you there.” 1 Chr. 29:17 “I know also, my God, that You test the heart and have pleasure in uprightness.” Which only goes to show that the current pope is ignorant of the Scriptures, and seeks to follow after the ways of the world, not God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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