LAWS of Jesus

[mven222]

16 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Hey, are we in agreement here then, sis...?  Yes we keep the law in the new way of the Spirit, hallelujah!  Simply put, the law is........given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.....and that is how it is good when we use it properly.....it is His word for our instruction.  But if we try to serve in the old way of the letter it only gives power to sin, makes sin come alive........whereas serving in the new way of the spirit puts sin to death.

Healed,

Let me say this way:

All Commandments are COMMANDS of God i.e. they are laws. We are saved NOT by implementation of laws but by the FREE gift of God called grace.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
For it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the Law who will be declared righteous.

in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, ⁶ who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: ⁷ eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; ⁸ but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, ⁹ tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; ¹⁰ but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. ¹¹ For there is no partiality with God.

¹² For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law ¹³ (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; ¹⁴ for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, ¹⁵ who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) ¹⁶ in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

²⁵ For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

²⁶ Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? ²⁷ And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? ²⁸ For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; ²⁹ but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Rom 2

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Rom.3

How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. ¹³ And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

 

Are we in agreement here then, sis...? 

 

[mven222]

15 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

We here in the west living our quiet little suburban lives can sometimes forget what real life is like for other people in the rest of the world.........amen, we will pray for your friend, that he will leave that kind of life and have faith to trust the Lord to provide for him without involving weapons and killing.....that God will show him the way of escape, amen.

Thank you sister. His name is Othman. Remember him in your prayers please.

He saved Christians in a Church and a priest from Muslim extremists who came there to kill them. He ALONE and his family prevented a tribal war when police did not want to intervene. He is a hero. His body was torn to pieces by bullets...when he went to be arrested!!! Not having any support, God saved him and made him an operation...He had no food for 2 years in a desert or water...that is why I commanded him to go to police and prison. Now he should be free from prison...but he needs freedom from sins and and weapon sale and murders more than from prison!!!

God will reward him. But to be saved from hell and death, he needs you and God. He rejected me and my friendship without any reason... or explanation. That is why lets help him just in prayers as he helped ALWAYS Christians!!!! Kissing even a cross being a Muslim!!!! I saw this myself. He was born in a church and was ready to die for a Church!!! He is a hero!!!!

Edited December 28, 2017 by mven222

[Heleadethme]

9 minutes ago, mven222 said:

Healed,

Let me say this way:

All Commandments are COMMANDS of God i.e. they are laws. We are saved NOT by implementation of laws but by the FREE gift of God called grace.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
For it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the Law who will be declared righteous.

in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, ⁶ who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: ⁷ eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; ⁸ but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, ⁹ tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; ¹⁰ but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. ¹¹ For there is no partiality with God.

¹² For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law ¹³ (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; ¹⁴ for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, ¹⁵ who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) ¹⁶ in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

²⁵ For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

²⁶ Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? ²⁷ And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? ²⁸ For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; ²⁹ but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Rom 2

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Rom.3

How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. ¹³ And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

 

Are we in agreement here then, sis...? 

 

Yes, we are, praise the Lord!

[Heleadethme]

3 minutes ago, mven222 said:

Thank you sister. His name is Othman. Remember him in your prayers please.

He saved Christians in a Church and a priest from Muslim extremists who came there to kill them. He ALONE and his family prevented a tribal war when police did not want to intervene. He is a hero. His body was torn to pieces by bullets...when he went to be arrested!!! Not having any support, God saved him and made him an operation...He had no food for 2 years in a desert or water...that is why I commanded him to go to police and prison. Now he should be free from prison...but he needs freedom from sins and and weapon sale and murders more than from prison!!!

God will reward him. But to saved from hell and death, he needs you and God. He rejected me and my friendship without any reason... or explanation. That is why lets hep him just in prayers as he helped ALWAYS Christians!!!! Kissing even a cross being a Muslim!!!! I saw this myself. He was born in a church and was ready to die for a Church!!! He is a hero!!!!

Amen sis....I will pray for him.

[mven222]

17 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

How are you defining "the Holy Jewish Nation?"   What does that mean?

Hi my friend, I am a Jew. I belong to the HOLY Jewish nation.

Look:

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
 

 Jeremiah 2:3    
"Israel was holy to the LORD"

 Deuteronomy 7:6    
"For you (JEWS/ISRAEL) are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth

 Deuteronomy 26:19    

and that He will set you high above all nations which He has made, for praise, fame, and honor; and that you shall be a consecrated people to the LORD your God, as He has spoken."

Exodus 19:6
and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."

Deuteronomy 26:18
"The LORD has today declared you to be His people, a treasured possession, as He promised you, and that you should keep all His commandments;

 

[mven222]

14 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I have not seen a yes or no answer to the question anywhere in this thread.

Exactly how do you, personally "keep" the Sabbath?

I reject to WORK on Saturday as God commanded even if companies try to force us to do that.

I PREACH on Saturday to Muslims as Jesus saved ill people on this day, I try to do that too. Through my preaching I remember my God during this HOLY day of REMEMBRANCE. I cannot rest on that day without preaching because I want to bring to God's Rest to His Kingdom as many people as I can.

Edited December 28, 2017 by mven222

[Guest shiloh357]

17 minutes ago, mven222 said:

Hi my friend, I am a Jew. I belong to the HOLY Jewish nation.

 

Are you a biological/ethnic Jew, or are you calling yourself Jewish based on a particular theology?   I mean, are you assuming that that you are a "Jew"  on spiritual grounds?

You still have not stated yet if the Sabbath day is required for salvation?   You keep on trying to avoid that question, which makes your presence here, suspect.

Answer the question instead of dancing around and trying to hide what you believe.

Edited December 28, 2017 by shiloh357

[mven222]

37 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Are you a biological/ethnic Jew, or are you calling yourself Jewish based on a particular theology?   I mean, are you assuming that that you are a "Jew"  on spiritual grounds?

You still have not stated yet if the Sabbath day is required for salvation?   You keep on trying to avoid that question, which makes your presence here, suspect.

Answer the question instead of dancing around and trying to hide what you believe.

Yes, I am an ethnic Jew.

I gave you my response to the second question. LOL

[mven222]

4 hours ago, inchrist said:

Right so you care about the issue but you dont care what those who observe the law has to say about the issue?

Hi brother,

I love ALL your responses.

You observe the law....I try to do that too...But I violate Muslims laws when they prevent me to PREACH to Muslims or when they are AGAINST my faith.

Why? Because I observe the Supreme Laws of the Supreme Court of my God...lol

But these laws/laws of my God condemn me always in violation of His laws, that is why I REPENT during prayers always and TRY to change the COURSE of my life as God's commands to AVOID a collapse on the road of my life and failing to arrive to the destination (His Kingdom) safe and saved.

I have just recalled what my beloved friend - a missionary- Sazie Johnson said in the past:

 

The Christian Double-Layer of Protection

Someone said, “Life is worth living when there are cameras around.” I smiled, because to some degrees, he is right. With the cameras turned on and running, we are not only honest and true to ourselves and to others, but we are also compared to behave properly and to live up to our potential. But it needs not be cameras that make our lives worth living. It needs be Christianity. I think life is worth living when you are a Christian. The reason is because God cannot learn.  

Now, that may seem like an insult to say, “God cannot learn,” but I can assure you that it is not an insult to God. God is brilliant; and He has the highest level of intelligence.

One Muslim writes: “The thing that surprises us (Muslims) is that you, Christians, believe that you can commit whatever sin and still enter into Heaven.”

I must admit that is a true assessment (evaluation) of Christianity. And we, Christians, need not shy from it, because he is right. We will go to heaven no matter what sins we commit in our lifetime. In fact the terms “Judgment Day” are not meant for Christians. And we, Christians, can honestly be glad about it, because God cannot learn.

When we say, “God is Omniscient,” we mean God is “All-knowing”. To be “All-knowing” is to know all things fully and instantly, and to have no need to learn something new. Thus, God cannot learn.  God is both the Source and the Possessor of all knowledge and wisdom. God knows all that there is to be known in the past, in the presence, and in the future. Whatever is to be known is known by God to the fullest. God knows all things equally and fully well. He cannot know one thing more than He knows another. One who is “All-knowing” is completely filled in knowledge and wisdom; and thus has no need to seek information on a subject or advice on a matter. Therefore; God cannot learn, for to learn means to increase in knowledge and in wisdom as new discoveries are brought to light.

That is why it is not an insult to say, “God cannot learn,” but rather it is praise to the “Only Wise God” — the King Eternal, Immortal, and Invisible.  

The Christian’s salvation rests on the fact that God cannot learn. What God knows about the Christian’s past, presence, and future, He knows instantly and fully. God is never shocked or surprise — not by the Christian’s past or future misbehavior (sin). The Christian’s salvation is sure, because God cannot learn anything new about the Christian’s future that God did not already know when God decided to offer salvation to the Christian through Jesus Christ.

That is why there is no such thing as a former Christian even if he/she is practicing another religion. Before God chose to save the Christian unto Himself, He (God) had instant and full knowledge that the Christian to whom He is offering salvation will practice another religion in the future. Salvation does not depend on the Christian’s behavior, neither does it depend on what the Christian can or cannot do for God. In Ephesians 2:8-9 we read, “For by grace you have been saved through faith (in Jesus Christ) — this (salvation) is not of yourself. It is the (free) gift that God gave to you so that no one can boast.”

What we have is a “Double-layer of Protection” for the Christian in terms of Salvation: (1) God knew instantly and fully all there was to be known about the Christian’s past, presence, and future before God offered salvation to the Christian through Jesus Christ, and (2) because the Christian was not worthy of salvation when God offered salvation to him, he (the Christian) cannot be unworthy as to lose his salvation. 

Let me say this: No man is good until he is first touched by good. God is good. Within every human being is the natural tendency to disobey God and to run away from God. The Christian is no different even though he, the Christian, is saved unto God. Because a person is a Christian does not mean that his natural tendency to disobey God and to run away from God is automatically and completely removed from within him. Fortunately for the Christian his natural tendency to disobey God and to run away from God is slowly quenched (reduced) over a period of time by the help of the Holy Spirit with Whom he (the Christian) is sealed (joined together) until the Day of the Christian Redemption.

Ephesians 4:30 warns the Christian. It reads, “Do not grieve (distressed) the Holy Spirit with Whom you are sealed (joined to) till the Day of Redemption.”

Let me also add this: When a Christian practices another religion, it grieves the Holy Spirit, but it does not nullify (cancel out) the Christian’s salvation, because the Christian and the Holy Spirit are sealed (joined) together until on the day when the Christian is finally redeemed from the things that make Him practice another religion.

As for the Christian, life is worth living; not because the cameras are on and running, but because he holds the “Priceless Possession” in the world. What is the “Priceless Possession”? It is the “Escape ticket from Hell”.  

We must understand that God’s Salvation Plan is not only for the Christians. It extends to the entire human race. Jesus spoke about this Salvation Plan when He met with a Jewish religious leader named Nicodemus. (Please note: The Jews, at the time of Jesus, knew that God is love; and that God loves them. But they did not know that God’s love extends beyond the Jewish Nation.) Jesus shattered (crushed) that belief when He said to Nicodemus, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son; so that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish (die), but will have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

This is the most celebrated and memorized verse of the entire Bible — and for good reasons. It is the one and only verse that reveals “The Seven Great Wonders” of God’s Salvation Plan for the human race.

1. God — the Almighty Authority

2.  “…so loved the world…” — the Mightiest Motive

3. “…that He gave His only Begotten Son…” — the Greatest Gift

4. “…that whosoever…” — the Wildest Welcome

5. “…believes in Him…” — the Easiest Escape from hell

6. “…shall not perish…” — the Divine Deliverance

7. “… have everlasting life…” — the Priceless Possession

This verse not only tells us that mankind is the greatest object (focus) of God’s love; it also frees mankind of any obligation to God in terms of doing good deeds in order to enter into Heaven. In other words, God so loved the world that He did not wait for the world to be good or to behave properly before He (God) saw it fit to save the world. This is well-stated in the Fifth Chapter of the Book of Romans where we read, “God directed His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Verse 8) This is a sharp contrast (dissimilarity) to all the other religions of the world in which God is patiently waiting to learn or to get more about a man in terms of good deeds and bad deeds before He (God) can decide as to whether to save him. This is why Christian alone is a shock to all the other religions of the world. — Because Christian alone presents to the world not a stationary (motionless) god, but an “Actively Seeking God” who goes out to seek and to save mankind from destruction.

We see the “Actively Seeking God” in the many Parables which Jesus told: In the “Parable of the Lost Sheep,” Jesus tells us about the Shepherd who had 100 sheep. One of his sheep wandered away and got lost. The Shepherd went out to find the one lost sheep, brought it home, and celebrated. In the parable, God is personified as the Shepherd. In the “Parable of the Ten Silver Coins,” a widow had ten silver coins. She lost one coin. She lit a lamp, searched the house all day, found the one lost coin, and celebrated. Again, God is personified as the Widow. In these parables we see the Character of God as a “Seeker” — One who goes out to seek and to save what belongs to Him. We also see the Character of God as a “Lover” in other parables such as the “Parable of the Good Samaritan” and the “Parable of the Prodigal Son.”

Please notice the last words the Father spoke in the “Parable of the Prodigal Son. They are not, “My son who was bad is now good,” but rather they are, “My son who was dead is now alive; my son who was lost is now found.”

God did not send Jesus Christ into the world to turn bad people into good people. Turning bad people into good people is not the duty of Christianity, but the duty of other religions. God sent Jesus Christ into the world to find dead people and to bring them back to life —to awaken dead people unto God who is the Source and the Sustainer of Life.

 In fact the entire Bible can be summed up this way: “Man, because of sin in the Garden of Eden, is spiritually dead and cut off from God. Man, even though he is physically breathing and walking around, has no spiritual connection with God. Man is completely lost and is unable to find his way to God. Therefore; God, because of His love for man, is reaching out to man in order to rebuild the broken relationship between Himself and man. As God rebuild this broken relationship, man can once again live forever in a spiritual union with God.”

That is why instead of being a religion, Christianity is a relationship — a relationship between God and man in which love is the commonality.  First John 4:16 tells us “We have known and believed the love God has directed toward us; God is love, he who dwells in love dwells in God, and God dwells in him.” This is a relationship: “God living spiritually in man and man living spiritually in God.”

While all other religions present a god who stands afar (at a distance) and demands love from mankind, in Christianity we see God is not only drawing closer to man, but He is also indwelling in man and thereby forming an everlasting bond (relationship). Therefore; we can truly say, “Christianity is a relationship — not a religion which is defined as “dos and don’ts.”

God is love. We know this much about love: It has two purposes: (1) to extend itself, and (2) to be received. God, who is Love, extends Himself in order to be received. Those who refuse to receive God (Love) through His Son usually think of themselves as being unworthy of God (Love). And in so doing they withdraw from God (Love), and thus condemn themselves.

Condemnation is an evil act, and therefore; it cannot be linked to God, for there is no evil in God. Were there to be evil in God, it means God could not defeat evil, because evil would be a part of God; for God cannot defeat God. Therefore; God does not condemn man. It is man who condemns himself by thinking himself unworthy of God (Love); and therefore, he must work many good deeds in order to earn God’s love. Right after John 3:16 which is the most memorized and celebrated verse in Holy Scriptures, we read “God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.” (John 3:17)  

Now let us once again re-visit the concern a Muslim had about us, Christians. He had written: “The thing that surprises us (Muslims) is that you, Christians, believe that you can commit whatever sin and still enter into Heaven.”

This is true because of the Christian’s double-layer of protection: (1) God knew instantly and fully all there was to be known about the Christian’s past, presence, and future before God offered salvation to the Christian through Jesus Christ, and (2) because the Christian was not worthy when God offered him salvation, he (the Christian) cannot be unworthy as to lose his salvation. That is why life is not worth living because cameras are around, but because a person is a Christian.

Romans 8:1 assures us, “There is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus…” This verse is very simple to understand. Since the Father does not condemn Christ, it means the Father cannot condemn those who are in Christ. Those who are in Christ are not condemned, they cannot be condemned, and they will not be condemned. The flip side of this is obviously not only unpleasant, but also bleak (depressing, dark). But however bleak, the Darkness needs to know that there is something called the “Break of day”. If you are not in Christ, you condemn yourself. God saves man through His Son< Jesus Christ. In Jesus Christ is not only the “Wildest Welcome” — whosoever, but also the “Easier Escape from Hell” — shall not perish. God has no respect for whatever cleaver way a man may employ to save himself unto God.

Again, the Darkness needs to know that there is something called the “Break of day”.    By Sazie Johnson

[mven222]

Again, the Darkness needs to know that there is something called the “Break of day”.    By Sazie Johnson

....Othman did not sleep in the desert at night because he was surrounded by wolves....Gun was in his hand to defend himself from wolves...DARKNESS....Desert...Very cold...No warm clothes...Only the Bible he read with me in his phone...

The Break of the Day.

And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. 19 We also have the message of the prophets, which has been confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to this message, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2017 by mven222