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  1. This is actually a really good read. Ive read alot here on peoples thoughts on mystery babylon. I have to admit, your thinking is leaps ahead.
  2. This is a perfect example of doctrine twisting scripture No wingnut, 2 Cor 5:8 does not say to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. You have fundamentally changed the meaning of the verse 2 Cor 5:8 states the following to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Paul gave a lesson of how he wants to be more fully clothed in the presence of the lord . No where does Paul teach about a sideways mission of wanting to be naked [disembodied spirit] in the presence of the Lord. Paul taught to be absent from the earthly corrupt body into a heavenly body and be the present with the Lord. That is Paul's teaching. John also saw a horn speak.... The word soul is used 7 times by John in Revelation and every time John uses the word is to describe the entire human being with flesh not a disembodied spirit. Now you expect me to accept John to be inconsistent with the usage of the word soul in Revelation, to fit a doctrine? Perhaps we should think slightly more deeper in what is happening in the 5th seal and figure out what John's point is....
  3. No one wife two virgin brides....think reconciliation.
  4. Talk about twisting scripture Firstly 2 Corinthians 5:8 does not say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Paul simply says we will not have THIS body. He likens our bodies to clothing that we must wear. In verse 4, Paul specifically says he does not want to be unclothed (without a body), but rather further clothed (different body). That’s quite a different picture than a disembodied spirit that lives on after death. Secondly souls in Revelation is only mentioned 7 times. Revelation 6:9 to 11 does not demand a dualist interpretation of body versus inner being. John uses the same word in Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. Uses the same word here Rev. 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. Uses the same word here Revelation 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life , died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. Also here Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. And here Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had receivedhis mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. ...................................... The greek word for soul is actually used 7 times by John from The word soul is the whole being itself. In other words human beings. You are missing the entire point of what the souls under the alter is tring to teach us. Rev 6:9 is not an instruction to people who have been martyred must now go worship under the alter but rather its visual communication to people, to us who still live, the living, to learn from their own witness. The living are to find their identity with the fellow-servants who likewise will give their all (Rev. 6:11)—and in doing so, worship at the heavenly altar.
  5. This is an exegetically indefensible load of nonsense.... Let's test that theory and please excuse the way I'm going to attack this but it show how silly the position is. Matt 18:35 This is how my space Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.” Really.... space Father now? John 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of space ? Right because astronomy lessons is what Christ come for... Eph 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in space with every spiritual blessing in Christ. "Space" god blesses us in space now..... Eph 1:20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in space , Jesus is somewhere in space, sitting next to space god. Eph 3:10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in space Technically then the real church is NASA. Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in space Somebody needs to tell NASA, the church; to build star fighters. Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in space , and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, I guess aliens are real. 2 Tim 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to space . To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Sounds like space god is going to "beam" us up to the mothership. Heb 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the space calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. Space calling..... Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the space , who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I don't think they had space rockets back then to taste space in order for those who were enlightened. Heb 8:5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in space I would imagine the real items are on a mothership? Heb 9:23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the space things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the space things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Of cause, nothing compares to space. Heb 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country— space . Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. Of cause because the bible has always been about space. Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, Space Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, Really? Space Jerusalem......The International Space Station perhaps? You miss the other part by Strongs the sphere of spiritual activities; met: divine, spiritual. In agreement with HELPS lexicon: “epouranios – properly, heavenly, referring to the impact of heaven’s influence on the particular situation or person.” Then looking at 1Cor 15:40 We gain a better understanding of what Paul is teaching. 1 Corinthians 15:40 , Paul was not teaching that resurrected bodies are in space or created in space , while earthly bodies are on earth or created on earth. Paul is teaching that the natural body is under the earthly dominion = cursed, destined to die However the resurrected body is under heavenly dominion (from whence its incorruptible nature flows). Not under space Paul clarifies his position, in verses 1cor 15: 42-43, that the very same corpse that is in the grave is planted in dishonor is to be raised in honor. Watch this now....therefore, the body cannot be in two different locations at the same time, nor can Paul be contradicting himself. Rather, the body is first under the dominion of the cursed earth when buried but under the dominion of heaven when raised. Not under the dominion of space No God did not make Jesus sit in space .....and this shows how daft the position is. Eph 2:6 comes from Psalm 110:1, which uses the footstool metaphor for total domination. Hence, being seated is a metaphor for having authority. This is in line with Pauls teachings when we look at Ephesians 1:2 …raising Him from the dead, and seating Him at His own right hand, in the heavenly {dominions} . That dominion and not location SPACE was Paul’s point. And this is proven in the immediate verses that follows Eph 1:21 “far above all principality and power and might and dominion , and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. Clearly, Christ’s location being vertically high above - space the location of others, including the Ephesian church, was not the point. Rather, within the heavenly dominions the sphere of influence , that is the things that are NOW under submission to heaven, the body of Christ Oh yes actually, because there is no such thing as space jerusalem ....however there is the entire bible of Jerusalem being under the dominion of heaven.
  6. One wife.
  7. There are two houses is there not? 2 brides
  8. Yes they will believe in the Son but after He has come for his first bride
  9. So Christs teachings are from the devil? Do you actually even understand the parable? Come lets hear it
  10. Hosea 7:8 Ephraim mixes with the nations. Its in their nature.... Rejecting Ephraim is christianized, now thats anti-semitic.
  11. Not all of them “Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel and will plant them, that they may have a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime” (II Samuel 7:10, I Chronicles 17:9). “That they may have a place of their own…?” Didn’t Israel already have a place of their own when this promise was given? God had other lands predestined for Israel outside the Middle East. Appointed Place and the land of Israel are two totally different geographical locations.
  12. God has appointed time that he will deal with the house of Judah....they will be provoked to Jealousy. I would suggest to study Zechariah 12 & 13.....and think what will prompted the House of Judah to Jealousy. God has not forsaken the House of Judah
  13. Define anti-semitic...... Rejecting the notion that the house of Ephraim has accepted Christ their Messiah? is not anti- Semitic?
  14. The church is very much part of Israel, one house does not represent the entirety of Israel simply because they reject the church, to justify a blanket statement the church is not israel, where as the other house has accepted Christ and has made its Church flourish. You might want to learn the parable of the prodigal son and take not of the Samaritan woman.
  15. Actually you misusing the word soul. Soul in greek psuché John uses the same word in Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. Uses the same word here Rev. 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. Uses the same word here Revelation 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life , died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. Also here Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. And here Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had receivedhis mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. ...................................... The greek word for soul is actually used 7 times by John from Revelation 6:9 to 11 and does not demand a dualist interpretation of body versus inner being. No where does John usage of the word in Greek for Soul is it describing the soul as a separable and intangible entity of a person. Rather, the word soul is the whole being itself. In other words human beings. You are missing the entire point of what the souls under the alter is tring to teach us. Rev 6:9 is not an instruction to people who have been martyred must now go worship under the alter but rather its a visual communication to people, to us who still live, the living, to learn from their own witness. The living are to find their identity with the fellow-servants who likewise will give their all (Rev. 6:11)—and in doing so, worship at the heavenly altar. Souls do not go to heaven and get packed away into a box