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  1. It took Peter instantly to learn to walk on water. The problem is you are applying our physical limitations in the supernatural. In the supernatural, our wills are perfectly united to God's will - which is a property of the divine intellect. We will essentially be plugged into His intellect being His will. If God wants us to instantly ride war horses, we will instantly ride war horses as its His will, free of all limitiation to what we can know or do. Therefore I completely reject your concept of our abilities in the spiritual, particularly the need to go to riding school. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people If those are not Christs people being His sheep then by God who are they? and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” If those are not the goats, then by God who are they? The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah If that is not the Kingdom, then by God what are we inheriting. I see one battle, from one end to the other.
  2. 50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery:We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. The fact that people die in Isaiah 65:20 being in the Kingdom of God which has been handed over to Christ is prove postive they do not inherite the Kingdom. Those who have survived and are living for 1000 years are busy in the process of inheriting the Kingdom. However those saints who have been changed have already inherited the kingdom. Your interpretation is superficial and fsr to narrow. Which also tells me you have completely misunderstood what Im getting at. I never stated we go UP beyond our cosmos....to the outter reaches of space....we step into heave ... into being the operative word. You still going to it whither its up or down. You step INTO heaven. It must manifest itself regardless. From the time of John 3:13 up until Rev 11:19 heaven is closed. The next time heaven is manifested visibly into the natural world is in Rev 11:19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened This will be the only time where we will meet the Lord in the air After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Then it is closed again, in other otherwords it is no longer visable but now back in the invisible Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed. Then the spirtual realm manifests itself back into the natural world Rev 19:11 11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse The pretrib version of being raptured to heaven is false at the same time your understanding of to heaven is also false. The spirtual realm runs parallel to our natural reality. These two realms of existence interact with each other. Instead if going up or coming down, it comes into our natural world. I did, and do you notice John first sees an unspecified group who are given the authority to judge and who sit upon thrones... perhaps you ignored the conjuction that follows, where John sees a second group He then sees are the souls who were martyred ressurected You cant ignore the one prophet Paul over the other prophet John. Again your view is far to narrow
  3. I have to disagree with that...its all about prospective. 1 Corinthians 15:48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. Since we receive our heavenly bodies upon immediate ressurection or upon immediate rapture (twinkle of an eye) we are immediately in the Heavenly (twinkle of an eye) 1 Cor 15:50 flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, We are certainly ressurected or raptured to the Heavenly (kingdom of God) or rather correctly stated: we are ressurected or raptured into the Heavenly, since we will be in the Heavenly. 1 Cor 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual The spiritual realm is a real world, invisible to the natural eye but visible to the eye of faith. Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” When we are changed to the spiritual/heavenly in a teinkle of an eye we cease to be visable to the earth. The only other time we see the manifestation of the Heavenly into the natural world again is in Rev 19. 1 th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. I dont see an exemption clause that states ONLY the martyred are considered to be the dead in christ.
  4. One does not build a doctrine on one verse. Hence why we have a ship loads of nonsense of an anti christ making a covenant with many. Yes His judgement/ slaughter was ALONE , however you are failing to prove that Christ made Himself visiable to the earth ALONE in order to execute this slaughter which He did Alone . Go back to Isaiah 5 I looked, but there was no one to help, and I was appalled that no one upheld me. Shamem = meaning to be devastated, ravaged, deflowered, and appalled. These are not words of Christ describing his reaction or feelings of condemnation that would include the Church being his bride for leaving Christ Alone . Since when does the actions or non actions of the Church particularly in endtimes make Christ feel deflowered, devastated, ravaged or in anyway make Christ feel appalled towards the Church to be included that no one helped? samak = to lean, lay, rest, support The function of Christ church 1 Tim 3:15 Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. Does not fit the picture of the Church to be present amongst the nations refusing to be the bulwark of Truth concerning Christ slaughter at Edom. Scriptually impossible, given the very fact at Christ appearance the Church would immediately FLOCK to Christ. What you are proposing is the complete opposite, the Church instead to forsake Christ, be amongst the nations who will make Christ appalled and devastated by forsaking its King and duty of being the bulwark of Truth. All because you have a superficial understanding of Isaiah ? Really? Lets see Rev 11:18 & 15 Here is your sheep = The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name,both great and small— Here is your Goats = and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Heres is inherit the kingdom = “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah Really because the last time I checked When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory Is typically the rapture and ressurection will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matthew 24:29-31) No that is called an unsubstantiated opinion. Isaiah 63:6 I trampled the nations in my anger; in my wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground.” Isaiah 34 Come near, you nations, and listen; pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, the world, and all that comes out of it! The Lord is angry with all nations; his wrath is on all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter. The battle is not just at Edom it extends far out to Armageddon. What does that matter? The slaughter extends the entire length of Israel including both Edom and Armageddon.
  5. Why? In every description in the NT of Christ being visible to the whole earth He always has a company with Him. Matthew 25:31-46 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, Matthew 24:30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthwill mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words. Mark 13:24 “But in those days, following that distress, “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. Rev 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rideris called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on himthat no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him This should nullify this concept of Christ being alone...There is a stark difference between actually fighting alone and going to the battle alone. In all instances of Christ appearing to earth either rapture or second coming, Christ is accompanied by either angels or saints. No, it's says all the people of the earth, in otherwords all the nations. Lets not lose scope of the bowls of wrath. This brings me back to Matthew 25:32: This will not be a judgment of groups (Germany, Italy, Japan, etc.) but of individuals within these nations, from all ages. Further Matthew 25:30 is the rapture and ressurection. Christ is not going to resurrect Amarica or Japan or Fiji, its the individuals within these nations. This brings us back to Isaiah 34 which is describing the slaughter of Rev 19 Like Isaiah 34 and Isaiah 63 these two oracles mention specific judgement against the nation of Edom, but well within the context, it then expands the "target audience" to the "peoples" (Isa 63:3, 6) to all nations, and in the case of (Isa34:1) from all peoples to the nation Edom, which clearly takes the ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies far beyond the nation of Edom Which would fit the entire slaughter And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.(Revelation 14:17-20) (1600 furlongs = 160 miles)
  6. You misunderstanding this verse. The "peoples" here is best understood as "Nations" All nations are against Israel Zech 12:3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her Hence Christ fights alone as there are no Nations that fight alongside Christ. The Church is not a Nation. So an army of the church can be alongside Christ fighting alone against all Nations. Isaiah 63:3 must be read with with Isaiah 34 Come near, you nations, and listen; pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, the world, and all that comes out of it! 2 The Lord is angry with all nations; his wrath is on all their armies. He will totally destroy[a] them, he will give them over to slaughter. 3 Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will stink; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. 4 All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. 5 My sword has drunk its fill in the heavens; see, it descends in judgment on Edom, the people I have totally destroyed. 6 The sword of the Lord is bathed in blood, it is covered with fat— the blood of lambs and goats, fat from the kidneys of rams. For the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah and a great slaughter in the land of Edom. 7 And the wild oxen will fall with them, the bull calves and the great bulls. Their land will be drenched with blood, and the dust will be soaked with fat. 8 For the Lord has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion’s cause. 9 Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into burning sulfur; her land will become blazing pitch! 10 It will not be quenched night or day; its smoke will rise forever. From generation to generation it will lie desolate; no one will ever pass through it again. 11 The desert owl and screech owl[c]will possess it; the great owl[d] and the raven will nest there. God will stretch out over Edom the measuring line of chaos and the plumb line of desolation.
  7. Retro, I think we can do without the rhetoric. Do you not ask people to keep an open mind when it comes to your explanations? So why then do you not follow your own advice and hear me out? Firstly get this image of Christ needs to have sexual intercourse with His bride on His wedding night out your mind, especially concerning this statement : Its not literal, its just an image....one that has a poweful meaning to it. Look at Rev 19, I never claimed Armageddon is the wedding feast. However the wedding feast is ready. Compare luke 14:17,18 and Matthew 22:4,5 Luke At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’ 18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. Matthew “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business.6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. By the time the wedding consummation is finished the wedding feast is already prepared. Hence my statement When the bride and groom emerged from the "bridal chamber" after seven days, the marriage supper would take place. That is the next Chronological sequence in the wedding ceremony. To state that the wedding theme is only in my head is to rip out the entirety of eschatology because Christ kept making references to it. It is sound practice to work within that frame, it comes with merit. In order to make a marrige legit, you need three things 1. The spirit 2. Water which is the Word 3. Blood which is the cruxification and consummation. When a bridegroom and a bride consummate their marriage, this is the same thing as the witness of the blood, because ideally, both the bride and the bridegroom should be virgins on their wedding night if this is their first marriage. Rev 19 with the witness of the blood He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, And witnesses of the water and spirit Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” showing that Christs consummation to the entire world is legit. No false accusations can be made. After his display of wrath on Yom Kippur, then they proceed to the wedding banquet during the seven days of The Feast of Tabernacles with all of the guests and the wedding party. Further Sisters statement Is also a 100% correct. Because Rev 19 is Yom Kippur and on that day Christ will then also marry the House of Judah, his second bride. This is when the Jews who were will finally see Christ “face-to-face” and they will “look upon him whom they have pierced and they will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son” (Zechariah 12:10). Hence Christ needing to be portrayed in a dipped blood vesture in order to make the House of Judah virgins (blood covenant) Christ being King and High Priest very similarly in Leviticus 16:18 where we see the high Priest mix the two bloods into one blood on Yom Kippur And he shall go out unto the altar that is before YHWH, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about.. Like wise Christ will act as the High Priest (Kohen Gadowl) who will mix the blood of these two families (two brides) together and he will make them one bride or one stick in his hand. You have no evidence at all to come to some conclusions that the blood dipped vesture is enemies blood. None. Sister has done a fantastic comparison of Isaiah 63:3 and Rev 19.
  8. We can agree on some stuff
  9. Meanings of words is not going to help you if you dont understand the context. The context is within the wedding theme. Symbolism. I dont deny Christ ropes is poctured as fully dipped in blood, why wouldnt this be used as an "imagery" of the purity of the bride? I would find Christ robe dipped in actual enemies blood coming out of His wedding consummation far more grotesque than an "imagery" which is used as symbolism and not literal to illustrate the purity of a virgin to the earth. After all Christ is not going to actually sleep with every single members that make up this bride. That in itself is actually gross.
  10. You got to remember theres lot of wedding imagery that is going on here. Rev 19 pictures the bride and groom about to enter into the wedding feast. The entire point of the Consummation the bride was to certify the bride’s virginity, and this "cloth" would be passed out of the room to be taken to the brides parents who would keep it as insurance against any false accusation against the bride for any impurity. This is a picture of the blood of the covenant. When the bride and groom emerged from the "bridal chamber" after seven days, the marriage supper would take place. It would explain why Christ is robe dipped in blood before the wedding feast. The whole imagery has wedding overtones
  11. My answer is going to be completely different I believe the vester dipped in blood is the virgin brides blood after consummating the marriage. The biblical custom of retaining a blood stained sheet or cloth from the bed where a marriage is consummated for all to see
  12. If that is not your belief then there is something fundamentally flawed. Why is so much attention giving to the choice of a man who is then ignored throughout the rest of the New Testament? What real difference does it make whether the apostles were “right” or “wrong”? Makes absolutely no difference, nor is it the central theme of what underpins Acts. The sovereignty of God is what underpins Acts who works all things in accordance with His will. It is from Gods perspective, not mine and not from any other man. God, in His sovereignty, is free either to use or to set aside their actions. God is not obliged to use Matthias. And the truth is God didn't. God in His sovereignty used Paul. Paul’s apostleship was affirmed at the expense of that of Matthias. This is a biblical Fact The Book of Acts not only contains the account of Paul’s conversion, but it is an account of the way in which God appointed him as an apostle. Paul speak with such authority that the other Apostles clearly held Paul in undoubtly high esteem as one of them. Thats because God was sovereignly at work, the 11 Apostles would never understand His will and ways in conceiving that a man who will sought to persecute the Church would become one of them, it is in this way, God receives the glory, and not men. And this is precisely what Paul taught in Romans 11, FOR WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? OR WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen (Romans 11:30). This is precisely why the focus is never on who considers who as the 12th apostle, but its who God considers who His 12 apostles are. Because it is His glory. I presume you alluding to this; LET HIS HOMESTEAD BE MADE DESOLATE, AND LET NO MAN DWELL IN IT.” Surely neither the disciples nor anyone else made Judas Homestead desolate in order to obey this prophecy? God fulfilled this prophecy. What of the second statement, HIS OFFICE LET ANOTHER MAN TAKE should we assume that there is anything called for here on the part of the apostles If God fulfilled the first LET Psalm 69, why should the disciples feel obliged to fulfill the second LET Psalm 109? If the second statement were fulfilled in the same way the first statement was fulfilled, the disciples would not need to have done anything. God will do as He pleases. If Paul’s apostleship is affirmed and I've already gone through the importants of why God picked Paul, as Paul being a Benjamite was sent unto the gentiles where the House Of Ephraim has been scattered into, places the legitimacy of Matthias apostleship who was ignored by God into question.
  13. No I believe ive quoted nothing but scripture and the reality of Paul. Unless you can find Gods use for Matthais thats surpassing?
  14. God was not obliged to use Matthias just because the one-hundred and twenty “rightly” chose him, nor is God obliged to build a 12th throne or foundation for Matthais. Gods perspective is what counts and God chose and used Paul as His 12th. I beg to differ, in fact extremely important Paul called himself “the least of the apostles” (1st Corinthians 15:9), and yet he later on became the greatest of the apostles. To understand that, you need to understand a kingdom principle Matthew13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becomes a tree, Which brings another interesting connection 1st Samuel 9:21 And Saul answered and said, Am not I a Benjamite, of the smallest of the tribes of Israel? And my family the least of all the families of the tribe of Benjamin?Why then do you speak to me like this? The Benjamites the smallest ended up becoming the Greatest when Saul was annointed King. King Saul was also changed into another man just like Paul 1 Samuel 10:6 And the Spirit of YHWH will come upon you, and you shall prophesy with them, and shall be turned into another man. Until one day King Saul rebelled against God. Christ was now reversing the curse that King Saul brought upon the Tribe of Benjamin by appointing another Saul from the very same tribe. What King Saul failed to do in uniting the tribes, Paul would succeed in doing by uniting the tribes. It takes a Benjamite to unite the tribes When Joseph (prophetic type of the Messiah) was about to be restored to his eleven brothers in Genesis 43, the smallest, or the least son of Jacob (Benjamin) was left at home. Joseph inquired about his little small brother and wanted to know where he was. Joseph then sent his 10 brothers (10 tribes of Israel) back home and this is what Jospeh said to them: Genesis 43:3 “…You shall not see my face, except your brother be with you.” Christ said a similar thing Luke 13:35….You shall not see me, until the time come when you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of YHWH. In other words, the tribe of Benjamin is the key to bringing back the other tribes to their Christ, just as Benjamin was the one who brought his brothers back to Joseph. Paul was sent out to the Gentiles, the 10 tribes where scattered amongst the Gentiles. Ephraim wanted to be a gentile. In Hosea 7:8, we are told Ephraim mixes himself with the peoples (gentiles) King Saul (a benjamite failed to unite the tribes. Joseph declared Benjamine is the only one who can bring the 10 brothers back to Joseph. Paul a Benjamite is the only apostle of the Gentiles who can bring the House of Ephraim (10 tribes) back to Judah, this is a prophecy that can be found in scripture Benjamin means the son of the right hand. And who is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven? Who is prophetically called The Arm of God (the arm of the Lord) in Isaiah 51:9 & Isaiah 53:1? It is Christ who is the right hand of God and the tribe of Benjamin is his son. In other words, the one who was chosen to bring back the other ten tribes to meet their Messiah in the last days was a Benjamin (Paul). God found more use out of His appointed Apostle than what He did with a man made 12th apostle.
  15. Except the one is doing what to the other?