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  1. I am extreme with this biblical methodology. So like the bereans who would of been exposed to two OT events. So my two witnesses of the OT for you to consider are: 1) The battle of Jericho ( rahab a gentile believer removed only after 2 spies come into the city, and removed only at the 7th trumpet from Jericho (beast kingdom) 2) Lot - removed only after 2 angles come into the beast city
  2. But perhaps you might have the best approach, pan trib, it will all pan it - indeed it will.
  3. The Point of contention with all this; is location defined as escape or is status defined as escape
  4. What if its a matter of perspective.... They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. Can we conclude that irrespective of location whether on earth or in heaven those with the seal of God escaped that particular verse?
  5. If repentance is not dispensation specific then how can grace be dispensation specific? Youve taken what im saying out of context, I stated the following to you in the sense of cutting(like 1254); a compact made by passing between pieces of flesh The technical term is Karath berith meant originally “to cut.” and its reference to the formal ceremony of ratification of cutting animals in pieces. A compact made by passing between pieces of Flesh Jer 34:18 ‘I will give the men who have transgressed My covenant, who have not fulfilled the words of the covenant which they made before Me, when they cut the calf in two and passed between its parts This is where berith always refers to divine covenant Never with a word used with man and man. 1396. gabar used for confirmed is strengthen, prevail.” Hence when you look at the nature of the verse daniel 9:27 and compare to similar verses like Genesis 15:10 divide the sacrifices in the midst,” Compared to Daniel 9:27 cause the sacrifices to cease in the midst of the week. They are exactly the same What Im telling you is this. Genesis 15:10 is the fulfillment prophecy of Daniel 9:27 Christ divided the animal sacrifies in the midst of the week. One the one side the old animal sacrifieces and on the other side the blood of the lamb. Christ being the burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
  6. my last statement in my post was the following The two witnesses represent corporately speaking the house of Ephraim and the house of Judah of those who believe in CHRIST. Just like the queen of england represents corporately speaking the United Kigndom and its people and the Prime minister of the UK represents corporatly speaking the United Kingdom and its people. But yet I wait for scripture its OT saints Provide me scripture then that such a heresy is possible...
  7. You can have all the commentaries agree with you if you wish, nor is the issue against the intent of the Holy spirit. The issue is you claim luke 16:16 puts an end to the "dispensation of the law" The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Yet you dont claim the prophets were ended with John? Or are we just going to be selective now with words in a text? The law and the prophets go together until John. If the law has ended then the prophets have also ended, as both are said to be until John. If the law has ended can you and the commentaries explain to me the following? The cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.35 Moses was unable to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud rested on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. Which is a Mosiac Law Leviticus 16:2 The LORD said to Moses: "Tell your brother Aaron that he shall not enter at any time into the holy place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, or he will die; for I will appear in the cloud over the mercy seat The priest 1 Kings 8:10 It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD 1 Kings 8:11 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD. This only gets fulfilled in Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.” Can you and your commentaries explain to me then if the law was ended with John, why the apostles continued to obeyed the Law after Christ ascension? Or perhaps you can explain why the mosaic feasts which are mosaic law like the fall feasts are to be completed by Christ in the second coming? The prophets Can you and your commentaries explain why the following is unfulfilled if the law and prophets were until John? Joel 3:1-2 “For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land,
  8. That doesnt negate the fact post tribs are looking for Christs return. Your argument is ridiculous. please provide scriputres that states that anyone who believes in post trib Christ will not come for you.....Ive been waiting with bated breath. further its seems in Rev 9.... They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. .....post tribs have nothing to fear. Lets have a look else where The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering soresbroke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Nothing to fear here either for tje post tribs So Im really trying to understand this scare tactics of yours, what on earth do Post tribs have to be fearful of?
  9. Post trib, prewrath, mid trib, pretrib and pan trib are all looking for Christ coming. Your statement makes absolutely no sense. Essentially what you are saying is Pretrib is now a salvation issue. That if you dont believe in the pre trib you are not saved. This is false. Whether one is pre, mid or post does not determine a persons salvation.
  10. "...at the beginnings of your months, you shall blow the trumpet over your burnt offerings and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings..." (Numbers 10:10). There are only 7 biblical months. Therefore the 7th month is the 7th trumpet month being the last. "AND THE Lord spake . . . saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an HOLY CONVOCATION. Ye shall do no servile work therein . . ." (Leviticus 23:23-25). There are no other trumpet months. Thats exactly what they do in the second half of christ ministry being your second half. How then do you have the bride removed before the witnesses come onto the scene? Christ taught this basic chronological event Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ Rev 11:19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. And then heaven is shut again Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed. It is then reopened in Rev 19:11I saw heaven standing open Chronological order of Christ teaching Luke 19 Order 1: Crowned king and returns He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.” Order 2a - He comes to Judge the living and dead Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. ( to Judge) 2 Timothy 4:1 - In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing Rev 11:18 - The time has come for judging the dead, Order 2b - Sent servants Mark 13:27 - And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. Order 3 - Giving rewards 1. Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ 2. His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’ Rev 11:18 - and for rewarding your servants the prophets Order 4a - gather the enemies to destroy them those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Rev 11:18 - destroying those who destroy the earth.” Order 4b - gathering process bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” The Seven Bowls of God’s Wrath - Rev 16 Order 5 - righteous execution 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. Rev 19 Which occurs on Yom kippur for the Jewish bride (the second bride the foolish virgin) Zech 12&13
  11. The law and the prophets were until John:" (Luke 16:16) Were is in italics which means the translators added that word in. However if you bothered to look for a parallel scripture to find the missing word, you would of found:- "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." (Matthew 11:13). Matthew recorded the verb "prophesied"which Luke missed out. All this scripture is telling us is that the law and the prophets prophesied until John, because they all prophesied about Jesus, who began his ministry in the days of John the Baptist. They prophesied where he would be born (Micah 5:2), that he would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), when he would be born (Daniel 9:25), how he would die (Isaiah 53), and many other details of his life, and that is all this scripture (Luke 16:16) is saying. It is nothing at all to do with the law being done away with after John the Baptist. Wrong, God is still expecting people to repent As can be seen in the 6th trumpet The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands And in the 5th bowl but they refused to repent of what they had done. False Covenant in The Hebrew Concordance: in the sense of cutting(like 1254); a compact made by passing between pieces of flesh A compact made by passing between pieces of Flesh A biblical established pattern. The word berith" in Young's Analytical Concordance. In the Pulpit Commentary, Vol. 29, p. 275, states that "Bereeth" is only used in connection with a Divine Covenant. It is never used to designate a "league" with any other power or force but is always reserved to describe a covenant between God and man. This word is never once used to describe a covenant between man and man or man and antichrist. The Massoretic text (The authoritative text for Rabbinic Judasim) renders it : "And one week shall confirm a covenant to many, and in the middle of the week MY sacrifice and offering shall be taken away." God no longer accepts animal sacrifices. The only person who ceased animal sacrifices was Christ. The only force that cuts covenants in flesh is God. One can rightly translate the verse as follows:- And one week shall confirm a compact made by passing between pieces of flesh with many, and in the middle of the week sacrifice and offering shall be taken away." And this is exactly what scripture teaches about the law and prophets who prophesied (including Daniel) about Christ Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” ( made by passing between pieces of flesh) 23 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it. 24 “This is my blood of the covenant,which is poured out for many,” The two witnesses are the two candlesticks & the two olive trees. They are not Enoch & Elijah. They are Gentile Believers & Jewish Believers in CHRIST. The Two Olive Trees are likened to the nation of Isrsel in prophecy. Ezekiel 37:16-18King James Version (KJV) 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions: stick in Ezekiel 37:16-18 is ets in hebrew which means tree . Hence the two sticks of Ezekiel are actually two trees Paul also described these two olive branches (sticks, trees) in Romans 11 wild olive branch (Gentiles) and the natural olive branch (Jews) being grafted into one olive tree. Further to this: You know Elijah appeared with Christ at the Mount of Transfiguration,, so we know they already have an incorruptible body. They cannot put on a mortal body (corruption) again to be killed by the Anti-Christ! The two witnesses represent corporately speaking the house of Ephraim and the house of Judah of those who believe in CHRIST.
  12. No Iamlamad, im not implying that the 6 days of creation of earth was a month long each, Im associating the theme of the 1st month to the day God created the grass and tress, because that is what the theme of Nisan is. You missing the entire point.
  13. Beginners in bible study you say.....lets look at your fellowing statement to Oldcoot Even in Jewish eschatology, the Last Trump has been traditionally associated with Rosh HaShanah which, according to much of Jewish eschatology, is reflective of the gathering of the righteous, the coronation of the Messiah, and the wedding of the Messiah. And since Rosh Hashanah falls on the 1st of the month of the Jewish calendar, and that the 1st of the month could only be established based on the declaration of the new moon, and that Rosh Hashanah is a two day festival, it is commonly called the "day that no man knows". While not proof of anything, it does support the contention that Yeshua said that of that day no one knows but His Father. Oldcoot makes the statement that it occurs on the 1st of the month, and mentions all these nice things like coronation of a king, wedding day, day that no one knows....and then you come... yeh He was Jew, he knew his feasts.... You see, what Oldcoot didnt mention is Rosh Hashanah occurs on the 7th trumpet month being the last trumpet month Rev 11:15 The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.” Coronation of our Messiah - Rosh Hashanah. Christ will be crowned on Rosh hashanah and given the heathen for His inheritance, as well as receiving His Kingdom and glory. Daniel 7:14 and Psalm 2:6 The day that no one knows - Matthew 25:13 theme of the bridegroom Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. But there is also something Oldcoot forget to mention, the sighting of the new moon is established by two witnesses. Back to Matthew 25 At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ The sighting by the two witnesses. Since we in the Jewish wedding theme, the groom designates two close friends to assist him and to assist the bride during the ceremony. They are called “witnesses”. The two witnesses of Revelation 11. The witnesses have to pronounce the coming of the Lord in order to gather his bride. Not after. What other themes is associated to Rosh Hashanah? Rosh Hashanah is the Day of Judgment for all of mankind. On this day man is judged for all of his actions, and all that will transpire and occur during the coming year is recorded. http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/4399/jewish/Day-of-Judgment.htm Lets turn to Rev 11, 7th trumpet The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
  14. What do you know about the fall feasts? So you telling me the 2 witnesses didnt die in Christ? And not resurrected in Christ? So who were they prophecing for? And its called the patterns of God. Two witnesses (spies) needed to escort Rahab (gentile) after the 7th trumpet of Jericho (beast kingdom). Throwing a phrase around you have no cooking clue about. I thought I made it clear the events of the witnesses takes place over the span of the trumpets ending at the 7th trumpet? Your arguments are boarding on really not making any sense. Did I not state over and over that the witnesses are part of the trumpets, did I at anytime place the trumpets in your "first half" of the week? Your arguments are becoming pointless. But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets." You have just accused me of imagining things, NOW you want me to imagine things with you? No thank you.
  15. Ill deal with one month trumpet at a time for you in the 7th month long trumpet series: The first trumpet month is called Nisan Here is a debate in the Talmud and they state the following: Rabbi Joshua asks: From what biblical source do we learn that the world was created in Nisan? From the verse: God said, let the earth bring forth grasses that carry seed of their own kind and trees that produce fruit each containing its own kind of seed—and God saw that it was good (Genesis 1:12). In what month is the earth filled with grasses while the trees are just bringing forth fruit? You must say that it is the spring month of Nisan Using Chuck Missler's own words "In the rabbinical literature, there are many details that are quite provocative" Indeed Chuck is correct very provocative that the Rabbi's associate Nisan as the month God created the grass and tress.... Confirm with me what does God do in the first trumpet in Revelation? This is not how one disputes a position, you dispute a postion with scripture. I'm not interested in your opinions. You are commanded to test all things with scripture. Just like Ive disputed your postion with scripture that John was unware of Pauls revelation. In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, while they continued their work with the Jews Thats not what Im saying or even on about, this is in connection with the phrase the "last trumpet", this is in reference to those who are in Christ the first bride. You joking right? you do realise Christ is also coming for the House of Judah his first love? And we will start connecting all the dots. You need to at some point realise you do not have the talent for this. Examine your contradiction here: He shall CONFIRM a covenant for one week. The covenant is perpetual, its everlasting. Must I imagine the word CONFIRM out the verse now? You then argue: I cannot even imagine that God's covenant would be for a week Contradicting yourself and now how the covenant is for one week. Seriously please make up your mind. Why? Is it not better for you to learn and research it first and show me its application? You are venturing into a topic you have absolutely no knowledge of, throwing the word Yom Teruah around like its free candy, and you have absolutely no idea on its application or meaning? Well then who is the one thats been stuck with their preconceived glasses then? How is it you feel justified in accusing me with preconceived glasses when you are venturing into a subject matter you have no knowledge of? Lol.....at what point do you run out of excuses? Please dont, rather let scripture think for you, would be my best advice