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inchrist last won the day on May 24 2015

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  1. He's 100% correct the church will be surprised according to pretrib Christ is only concerned with the Jews to keep watch and since matthew 13:35 is quoting the olivet discourse it is only concerned with Jews.
  2. Therefore the doctrine of imminence is concerned with the jews and not the church And since Paul is quoting the Olivet discourse verbatim in 1 th 5 he is concerned with the jews and not the church
  3. Nope? You just stated Matthew 24 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f]but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant,whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The doctrine of imminence is then for the jews. And the following is not for the church since Paul is quoting the Olivet discourse verbatim 1 th 5 The Day of the Lord 5 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape
  4. Then youre doctrine of imminence is for the jews But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son...So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. By the way here goes your pre trib rapture completely out the window Mat 12:29 "Or else how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
  5. trumpet call of God are you telling me the angel in Rev 11:15 blowing the trumpet is not the trumpet call of God who they calling for then or on behalf of then?
  6. This is not Exegesis, For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call Please provide scriptures showing this literal event in order to determine 1 th 4 to be different to that of Rev 20
  7. Really...ok let's start basics....do I have a trumpet in Rev 11:12 - rev 11:18?
  8. Read from rev:11:12 - rev 11:18 refutes your interpretation
  9. I'm afraid you got no choice, Pre tribs doctrine is the manipulation of scripture of the living saints to be raptured amongst the dead in Christ. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection Even grammatically you can not manipulate first the dead in Christ will rise with this statement first resurrection first the dead in christ/first ressurection. They are one and the same phrases Pretrib is a false doctrine of the living saints to be raptured inbetween the dead in Christ.
  10. Provide scripture it doesn't..... Christ taught something very interesting to the Pharisees 55And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It will be hot,’ and it is. 56You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky.Why don’t you know how to interpretthe present time? 57And why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right You cant interpret the times, you can't interpret the ressurection, or Christ coming, or the trumpet....because you have none of it in your pre trib doctrine If I ask you where is it, you can't show me. However the time of the dead at a trumpet from Rev 11:12 all the way to Rev 11:18 are being ressurected and judged. Interpreting the times.
  11. Really they didn't die in Christ? Resurrected At a trumpet? With Christ in the picture? Also judging the dead at a rev 11:18 trumpet? A whole lot of things happening to the dead at a trumpet With Christ in the picture.... Tell me where's your literal trumpet? And literal Christ? And literal resurrection?
  12. Yes it's very easy to understand Rev 11 a literal ressurection, with ACTUAL Christ, let that sink it After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. at a trumpet, a literal trumpet. You have nothing, you have no literal resurrection, no Christ and no literal trumpet...you have fantasy... None of what you state here is found in scripture That is different than in Rev. 20: 4-6 where only the Tribulation believers, those who got saved during the Tribulation but were martyred or otherwise died in Christ will be raised. You have no scripture stating there's a difference in some make belief two part first ressurection. You have no starting point for your ressurection to even determine when a difference between one dead Christian against another dead Christian, because you can't even determine any literal ressurection or trumpet as your starting point.
  13. Which goes beyond your pretrib....because the last people to die recorded in scripture are the two witnesses.....the dead in Christ shall rise first.... You pre tribs are not special to be raptured inbetween the dead.
  14. No you don't, Dead is an adjective, has no classification for example....this dead Christian and that dead Christian.... Poor is another adjective there is no difference between this poor white person and that poor black person. You are declassifying beyond what is in scripture of a separation between this dead Christian and that dead Christian.... You are manipulating scriptures to squeeze in the living amongst the dead to rapture inbetween dead christians After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. You are grossly misinformed.
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