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  1. Amen....the sky rolled back like a scroll....the earth reeling to and fro like a drunkard....stars falling to the earth......that sure does all sound pretty cosmic to me! No wonder it says mens' hearts will be failing them for fear, and begging the mountains and rocks to fall on them to hide them from the wrath of the Lamb! It will reach to the very core and spirit of the people who are alive on earth at that time.
  2. The same judgments that God warned ancient Israel about are happening to the Christian nations of today....being "ruled over by the heathen in your midst". I don't know how much of it has been conspired by the elites, etc....I'm mainly looking at what the Father is doing...and right now He is bent on judging and disciplining our western formerly Christian nations for turning away from Him....exactly like our ensample in days of old.
  3. There is a biblical principle of "first the natural, then the spiritual". God drawing all the nations to the battle is for sure talking about a huge final spiritual war....but it would not be surprising to see it play out in the natural realm as well. Even I believe the whole antichrist scenario will be a "natural realm" manifestation that plays out before we see the return of the true Messiah and HIS rule over the earth.
  4. Amen...this is the whole reason why God over and over again warned the Israelites (our ensample) not to intermarry with the heathen.
  5. Amen to your post ( I didn't quote the whole post for the sake of space). Paul was careful to say that neither is the man without the woman and the woman without the man, and that women are co-heirs of salvation, and that in Christ there is neither male nor female......so it's not a matter of women being of lesser value in God's eyes (which is the attitude that came about due to the fall, as well as religiosity under the Law.) Head-covering should not be thought of in a manner as a humiliation for the woman but as protection........it is a sign to the angels that she is protected under the authority of her head. In the bible a wife is thought of as being covered by her husband's garment...it's a beautiful analogy, and that is what wearing power on her head signifies as well. She is under protection because she is valued, not because she isn't. As Christ loves the church and values her, and the church hides herself in Him.
  6. That deserves a smile. Amen....and that is called dwelling with one's wife according to knowledge (of how to make her swoon), LOL. Then she will be much more likely to happily follow her husband to the ends of the earth. I just hate the way some teach these things as if it's some kind of dreary drudgery and a curse instead of a joy and blessing....if Christ and His relationship to the church is a joy then so ought the Christian marriage relationship to be thought of. Neither spouse should put stumbling blocks in each other's way, if each one does their best to be considerate and make an effort to give each other what each other needs...wife as a woman needs to feel loved, husband as a man needs to feel respected, and that way Christ is glorified. There's no need to be "harrumphing" self-righteously at people when this is taught....that is a wrong spirit and not likely to bear good fruit. (I'm not talking about this thread, but just what I heard recently and so often in the churches.)
  7. And if I may get this off my chest as well.......Paul always spoke of the relationship of men and women in a single teaching, he didn't put the women over in one corner and give them a list of their exclusive rules and roles, while putting the men in a separate lonely corner across the room with their exclusive list. But he spoke of these things together. Marriage is a relationship between two people.....if we do this wrong, we will have a situation where a man never picks up a dish towel to give his wife a hand, not to mention his companionship, in the kitchen, and we will have women refusing to listen to their husbands talk about their challenges at work and offer their support and advice. It would be a recipe for DIS unity in the marriage. Notice also how Paul always gave equal weight to how both husbands and wives should be. There so often seems to be an emphasis on the women submitting to and respecting their husbands with only token mention of how husbands need to love and honour their wives, if at all. It even seems to me that if husbands are the head of the wife, then they should really be the ones leading, yes? and setting the right example. And since marriage is a relationship of two becoming one, then these things need to be taught accordingly, like Paul did.....rather beautifully and not in a dogmatic manner, if we can but see this.
  8. I agree with your stance, at least in principle. Paul gave all the reasons there are for why women need to have a sign of authority on their heads. If it had to do with medical reasons and beliefs regarding how pregnancy came about, or any other reason, he would have just said so.....but he didn't give other reasons, he gave perfectly sound reasons having to do with God creating the woman for the man and not the other way around.....as well as the woman being more easily deceived and because of the angels.....and marriage being a picture of Christ and the church in the natural realm. He didn't mention anything having to do with prevailing ideas concerning reproduction. If we only would avoid the temptation to look for other reasons and accept what he wrote under the inspiration and wisdom of God then we do well. Even recently I heard someone teaching that women are to submit to their husbands because of how God CURSED Adam & Eve in the fall.....that husbands are to therefore "rule over" their wives in agreement with and in accordance to the curse of the FALL. Erk! And of course that was ADDING to what Paul said. Nothing I said could budge this person from that error, and instead of correcting him the other men there circled their wagons. Talk about disheartening. You hear all sorts of strange theories around this subject. The marriage relationship is supposed to be a beautiful representation of Christ and the church.......it's a blessing not a curse, and submission of the woman is entirely voluntary, and we do well to remember that in Christ, in spirit, there is neither male nor female. They were even teaching that Christ rules the church by force, under threat. Such fleshly understanding of how Jesus treats His body is scary and dangerous.....we ought to take warning from all the polygamy cults out there.....for that is not at all the SPIRIT in which Christ rules. Even His warnings and chastisements are in spirit and can only be received by FAITH...they are not fleshly and eating of the Tree of Knowledge. But when there are no ears to hear what the SPIRIT is saying there is not much one can do, no matter what is being discussed. Just please lets' not either add or take away from what Paul said....it was all perfectly sufficient if only we can apprehend it all aright, and seek God for the understanding.
  9. Just my hit and run comment here......but Paul the apostle fully expounded the reasons for the differences between men and women and he neither overstated the case nor omitted any reasons.....and I'm sorry but to either add or take away from what he taught is just plain error. is just plain error.
  10. Where on earth did that notion come from....CLEARLY he is writing to those who have already been evangelized, though there may have been some unsaved among them who were still in the valley of decision so to speak. Whoever taught you otherwise is in great error....probably they are wresting the scriptures like that in order to try and prop up their wrong doctrine....instead of simply letting the scriptures speak for themselves. Heb 2:1-4 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Heb 3:6-9 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Heb 3:12-15 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. Heb 4:1-3 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
  11. Amen...."Their own hardened heart prevents it happening." Exactly! And that's just what the scripture says in Hebrews 3....hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. They are choosing to disobey the gospel rather than obeying it....can't be doing both things at once, obeying the gospel and disobeying it willfully...that's just impossible. Disobeying the gospel means you are not under it. Trampling the blood of Christ underfoot, taking it for granted, treating it lightly instead of reverencing and appreciating His sacrifice and endeavouring to give the Lord His due. We are not our own, but were bought with a price....and it costs us everything to follow Him.
  12. Maybe....and yes, to whom much is given much is required. It's just something I have wondered about.....and I have sometimes wondered about this scripture I will post below as well. The human race had been tempted and deceived by fallen angels, but I don't think the angels that fell even have that excuse. They had been in the heavenlies with God and fully knew what they were doing when they decided to rebel against God's will for them and go live in the flesh....it's like they just knowingly and deliberately chose to be reprobate.....choosing to worship self and enjoy the pleasures of the flesh and sin and went and had those women. It's something I believe we all can take warning from. It does seem that willful sin is not quite the same thing as sinning out of ignorance or against one's own wishes (where Paul said with the mind I serve the Lord) or struggling with a bondage. If the person has full control over themselves and fully understands that something is wrong but keeps on deliberately choosing to do it anyway....well after a time there is no more sacrifice for that....the person has chosen their sin over Christ. And maybe this is like Ananias and Saphira....the land was fully theirs to do with as they wished, nobody was compelling them....but they knowingly and deliberately lied to the Holy Spirit, I guess maybe in order to make themselves appear more charitable than they were being.....and the Lord slew them. So we can take warning from that as well...and give the Lord His due fear and reverence. We can be so thankful the Lord is merciful and longsuffering but at the same time He is not to be taken lightly and salvation is not to be taken for granted when it cost His Son so much. God is not mocked. Act 17:29-31 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at (overlooked); but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
  13. He will not lose one who He has foreknown will not fall away. Don't forget He knows the end from the beginning and the scriptures are speaking in spiritual language of spiritual things.
  14. No-one is saying that all believers who fall into sin and backslide can never be restored again. No-one here is saying there is no hope for such. I believe the scripture on Hebrews 6 is addressing in particular those who are spiritually mature and it is talking about WILLFUL sin. Immature believers (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) can sometimes be unstable in their walk until they learn to overcome and begin walking in the Spirit. God has grace for those who are young in the faith, or haven't yet learned, just as parents have grace for their young children who don't yet know right from wrong, or haven't yet learned to control their impulses, etc. But if those who really and truly know better and still willfully choose to walk contrary to the will of God and adopt a sinful lifestyle, they are in much greater danger of not being able to be restored. I believe this has to do with why fallen angels can't be restored as well...their rebellion was willful and knowing, and my goodness they had been in heaven with God! It wasn't just the result of being tempted in a weak moment or struggling with a bondage or out of ignorance of God's will.
  15. Sure brother, some who name the name of Christ are not born again......but the scriptures are talking to those who are. They were written for us. They are warnings for those who are born again and are in Christ.....so that we will not fall away. "Away from me, I never knew you"....is speaking on the basis of God's foreknowledge that they would do their own thing with their spiritual gifts, rather than the will of God in their own life. This is what goes on with many ministers....they get up on stage and wow the crowds with their spiritual gifts, meanwhile they are not following Jesus (doing God's will) in their own personal life.....they are accumulating wealth, they are divorcing, engaged in adultery, not giving to the poor, self-indulging in all kinds of entertainments, and just not living Christlike in general but doing their own will and going their own way rather than taking up their cross, denying themselves, and following Jesus.
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