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  1. Heleadethme

    Title: We are accepted and perfected In-Christ

    The toddler gets tempted by the devil.......this is a spiritual war to take souls captive, and the devil is real, and it is the devil who puts a suggestion/temptation in a child's mind......who then chooses to obey that suggestion/temptation or not. At some point we all chose wrong and fell. God does not create any living soul with sin.....we are all created innocent just like Adam and Eve were.....their story is a picture of how it goes with all souls. Sin is what we choose and that is why the Lord is being perfectly just when He holds anyone accountable. This is a prophecy of perfect sinless Jesus (unlike us): Isa 7:14-15 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right
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    Title: We are accepted and perfected In-Christ

    No dear friend, I'm afraid your premise is not correct here, if I may try and explain. If we read that passage again.....it says DEATH reigned through Adam, and so death is the condemnation (curse/judgment) that resulted to all people. We are not born sinners, but rather we all sin by an act of our own free will. The bible says all have SINNED and FALL short of His glory (Rom 3:23). When we were old enough to begin to choose between the right and the wrong we all CHOSE to sin and thus we fell.........we all followed the same pattern as Eve in the Garden at that tree, tempted by the serpent......the first time we each ever believed the lie of the serpent and sinned is the first time we fell. The only reason I understand this is because the Holy Spirit brought back to my memory the first time I ever sinned, I was less than three years old....it was a sin of idolatry....and it was a backhanded way of me trying to be in control and have the upper hand....to be my own God in other words. Oh what tangled webs we weave, but thank God for His light. I won't get into lengthy details, but just to say that that idolatry became a snare that shut over me like a bear trap, and the curse/judgment that resulted from it followed me for many years and caused a string of other problems and self-destructive decisions down the road. The devil is not playing games, he is merciless and tempts us in order to ensnare our soul....he comes only to rob and destroy lives and souls that otherwise should belong to God. Jesus is the only human who ever lived, who at that crossroads of choosing between the right and the wrong in his young life, chose to follow God and resisted the devil. He overcame so that we could overcome. I hope that helps you with your further conclusions concerning this subject.
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    I'll just leave you with this to ponder Larry.....His word does not pass away. Bless you.
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    Yes, I believe the apostles must have understood the dual nature of things in the word of God....it was from their writings that I learned it, through the Holy Spirit. It was an apostles who wrote that the spiritual doesn't come first, but the natural. An apostle wrote that the things written about Israel were ensamples for the church. And about the first Adam being of the earth earthy (and a figure of who was to come) and the second Adam being spiritual (quickening spirit). They wrote that the rudimentary (earthly) things of the old covenant were copies of the heavenly/spiritual. Even the wealth and riches of the old covenant were a type and shadow of the spiritual riches we have in Christ, which things the apostles wrote and must have gleaned from the OT being revealed. Mat 13:34-35 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. WHO spake in parables and without a parable did not speak…? The Word of God made flesh. His word is chock full of parables. Israel herself was a living parable of the church to come, in the things that were written down. And she walked out year after year the living parables of the appointed times…the feasts which are ‘parables’ of the spiritual things to come. There are things that we can see with our own eyes that are just not fulfilled yet….such as that creation itself would be liberated from bondage to death…..and His coming that will be like lightening and seen by every eye…..and that every knee will bow and confess that He is Lord. These things and more just have not happened yet. Some of the heavenly promises we do get to taste of now..…because we have received the earnest of the Spirit, but we have not yet seen the fullness of the Spirit. Anyway, bless you and may God bless and shine His light on His word as you look into it prayerfully.
  5. Weaning off needing to be taught by pastors and ministers is part of growing and maturing in the Lord.....thinking of it like natural birth, childhood and growing into adulthood in some ways. We sort of wean off our spiritual 'parents' as our faith grows and we learn to rely and depend on the Lord more. And that is their job.......to present us to Christ, all grown up. And also sometimes we need to come aside and shut out other voices to be able to hear His. You just pray for strength to hear whatever the Lord has for you sister, sometimes we just need the strength to come from Him more and more as "self" grows weaker, and He gives it as we come to Him for it.
  6. Where do people get this crazy stuff from, not from the HOLY bible that's for sure......clearly we are in the falling away. What does it mean to be saved.......it doesn't mean that we continue to live in our sins, it means we get saved from them. Like where it says we have been translated out of the kingdom darkness into the kingdom of light. What on earth are some folks thinking......that we get saved and washed in the blood and cleaned up and then go back to living in the filth of the kingdom of darkness....it doesn't even make sense.....what a deception and so sad. And I have to say that this kind of thinking is a form of self-righteousness and pride in itself....as if people are trying to be more righteous than God and accusing Him of being mean. He is the one who sets the standards, not we....and He is both just and righteous together. He doesn't call sin holy. He calls it sin and bids us to walk away from it, overcome it, etc. He doesn't call it okay, that's for sure.
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    Yes, I agree that is all speaking of the end of the age of the Jews......but also as concerns the church......there is the principle of "what has been will be again" (Ecclesiastes) and the times of the Gentiles are coming to a close. The church is falling away now just the same as Israel (our ensample) fell away and became apostate and full of Babylonish mixture......and God judging the Temple in 70 AD was a type and shadow of Him judging the church just before His coming again...His appearing the second time without sin unto salvation (redemption of our physical bodies.....and actually redemption/restoration of all the physical realm of creation ultimately). He is calling His people to "come out of her" (several places in scripture but also in Revelation) just as He said to the early believers....when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies flee to the mountains...let he who is in the field not return and let he who is in the country not enter into Jerusalem......because it is about to be destroyed (physically destroyed as concerned Israel and spiritually destroyed as concerns the church...she is being given over to the delusion.) There has been a mass exodus in the past two decades or so out of the polluted churches that is unprecedented in all of church history that I know of. The Lord led me out before I even understood why. The glory is departing...ichabod. And the church is being left desolate...in preparation for another spirit, a counterfeit, to take the place of the Holy Spirit....antichrist spirit. Everything is following the pattern of Israel. And I want to say thank you for the reminders of all those scriptures....
  8. And this is what these verses are talking about (victory/overcoming through the cross that we carry....what the devil means for evil, God means for our spiritual good): Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him Paul alludes to the apostles' cross in these passages. It seems that everyone's cross may differ in weight according to their gifts and calling, and Paul had a particularly heavy cross to carry for the sake of the church, though the principles apply to all of us....filling up that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ, and that as the sufferings of Christ abound in us so also will His comfort: Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church 2Co 1:3-5 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
  9. Victory comes through the cross as we carry a cross for Jesus and follow (obey) Him....healing, deliverance, revelation, holiness all come through that cross which doesn't seem to get preached any more. One of the best kept secrets in Christendom now. It's very practical in a spiritual way. And learning to be specific in our prayers, and believing that we will receive. When something comes to our awareness, a shortcoming, a fault, a need for victory in some area......seek the Lord very specifically and persistently for what we have need of. Acknowledge/confess/repent our faults and sins to Him and He will be faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us from the unrighteousness......is a true word that we can take to the bank (heaven's vaults). He is leading us from glory to glory, from victory to victory as we take up our crosses and follow Him. No cross, no victory.
  10. Please tell me you are joking brother.
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    Sorry to be so long in returning here Larry. Jesus might come back in a cloud of witnesses....or a cloud of glory.....or a cloud of the heavenly host so numerous they will look like a cloud from a distance. Or all of the above. Probably was that kind of cloud He ascended in when he was being received into heaven and it only appeared like a cloud to the physical eye. But I fear you have not been "hearing" my point, about the word of God and prophecy being alive and active, and alluding to more than one thing at once.....and about the principle of first the natural, then the spiritual. The things having to do with Israel being "the natural"....she is our ensample/similitude/living parable in scripture....everything to do with Israel was prophetic for the church. The things having to do with the church being "the spiritual". If it happened in the natural realm to Israel, it will also be fulfilled in the spiritual realm as concerns the church. Baptism is an example of this principle....the reason we are baptized in the natural physical realm is in order to seal our salvation/washing prophetically in the spiritual realm. I should have mentioned that before......and just wanted to remind you to consider this principle. Also...you mentioned a while back about the apostles using terms like the "last hour" and the "last time".......thankfully I might have an answer to that, it only came to my attention yesterday. I've forgotten the math and other details associated with those things, it's been a long time since I happened to be looking at that in Daniel. But see what you and others think........remember the 70th week of Daniel....the clock stopped ticking with the crucifixion I believe it was, and it has been the beginning of that last hour so to speak for the past 2000 years.....suspended. The clock will begin ticking again....not sure exactly when, might be when the new Temple is dedicated. Everything that Jesus and the apostles spoke on and taught came from the old testament revealed, and this was one of those things....pretty sure they got that from Daniel. When I was reminded of it yesterday, listening to someone speak on it.....my spirit seemed to witness to it....so I leave it with you to consider as well.
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    Yes, there are personal fulfillments (His word is alive and active) and spiritual fulfillments.....but also natural fulfillments of these things in real time. That is why we are to pray for His kingdom to come to earth as it is in heaven........the spiritual realm affects and will affect the natural realm...BIG-time! Ha! ...it gives me hope and makes me happy! Maranatha, come Lord Jesus! This wretched war will not go on forever on planet earth, there will be an end to it and victory. Personally, yes....spiritually..... as well as in the natural realm...when the whole natural realm becomes liberated into immortality and time will be no more. But be on guard, because the counterfeit will manifest first. Someone coming in his own name will deceive all who have not received a love of the truth. So be alert and awake, and above all have a life and heart cleansed of every idol.
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    okay, if that's where the bouncing ball leads to then fine. I'm willing to be a partial preterist if you are willing to stop being a full preterist (if you are). I hardly know what that means anyhow, as I try to avoid labels...they can be very misleading and miss the mark entirely. It's just the truth we are seeking after all, not to join camps/denominations/pigeon holes. And just to let you know I'm not George...he might not want to be thought of as a partial preterist so thought I better let you know. But Jesus is coming again in like manner as He was seen going up....there's no way around it, and nor would I want to get around it. He will appear and every eye will see Him... and there will be a wrap up of history as we know it and the whole earth restored/renewed. Blessed hope...doesn't it make you happy and hopeful to think of it? Blessings.
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    All these had to do with His first coming, that is true...........but will be fulfilled again with His second coming. First it was to Israel (ensample to the church), second time to the church. The harvest in the end of the age.....first a separation of sheep and goats and a separation of wheat and tares took place in the first century at the end of the age of the Jews....AND this will all be fulfilled a second time in the end of the age of the Gentiles. First the natural, then the spiritual. First the earnest of the Spirit, then the fullness. The gospel to the Jew first, then the Gentile. There is nothing new under the sun, and what has been will be again. That seems to wrap it up quite neatly, thanks be to God.
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    What Really Is the Mark of the Beast

    It's so sad to think of sons that hate their father so much they would seek to do away with Him and usurp His power on earth...especially a father who sent His firstborn to die for them. Nevertheless it's as you are saying....it's the Lord who is gathering all to the battle....it will be the worst that flesh and devil can muster (transgression at the full) against the fullness of the Holy Spirit. Can't even imagine what it is going to be like......battle of the ages. Well, I believe we have an outline of the picture with the two witnesses in Revelation actually....Jew and Gentile church....one new man made of the two. Absolutely terrible, but glorious at the same time.