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Heleadethme

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  1. 2Th 2:2-3 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
  2. It sounds like you would really benefit from getting to know the scriptures better. For starters I would suggest doing a word search on the word sluggard in the book of proverbs. As well as considering other scriptures that others have already been posted.
  3. "no workee, no eatee" is a tongue in cheek paraphrase of what someone already quoted on page 1 of this thread of what the apostle Paul wrote in one of his letters to the early church. And yes, stealing from someone else's pockets is certainly not encouraged in the word of God. I think we need to distinguish between the duty of governments as opposed to the duty of believers as individuals. Governments have a duty to the citizens who hire (elect) and pay them to administrate in the best interests of those citizens and their nation first and foremost. But of course as individuals and indeed as the body of the Messiah/Saviour we have a duty to help the poor in general. (But not those who are perfectly capable to work to feed themselves but are simply unwilling to make the effort. And personally I believe that group makes up a small minority of the poor.)
  4. Maybe you and Marilyn are both right about this. Something I keep on a back burner is how Israel has always been a kind of example or living parable in the natural realm of spiritual realities to come. There is a principle spoken of in the bible of "first the natural, then the spiritual." What if Israel after the flesh will be the top dog kingdom in the world before the return of the true Messiah to wrap up this age? Especially since we apparently are beginning to see the waning and implosion (judgment) of the current top dog kingdom (western society). But the Israel of God (Jew&Gentile church) must be careful never to forget that we are in the world but not of it. We are not to worship any messiah other than the One appointed and begotten of God. And keep in mind that Israel after the flesh is loved for the sake of the patriarchs but will always be an enemy for the gospel's sake.
  5. Different people do have different concepts about Him, that's for sure, and many are incorrect. But we are told in the bible not just to know about Him, but to know Him. ie, to know Him personally. The Lord is revealed to us through the Messiah (Jeshua), His Spirit, who reconciles us to the Father and brings us into the Father's presence. Man's relationship with the Father was broken/cut off through sin and going our own way. And the Messiah came from Israel...Israel had a great purpose in God in birthing the Messiah into the world so that souls out of all mankind, Jew and Gentile (those who are willing and chosen) might be restored to the Father. This is why there are so many references to Gentiles in the Jewish scriptures.
  6. Hi sister, I believe we are being told something of God's purposes in these scriptures, though there may be more: Rom 9:21-24 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Eph 8-11 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
  7. People do all sorts of things "for God" and in the name of God, that are against His will. It is not a valid argument for anything. Along with privileges and opportunities and liberties afforded by the gospel there are also responsibilities and parameters. And of whom much is given, much is required. Liberty doesn't mean a free-for-all. You know why rebellious "bad boys" in many generations like to get tattoos....precisely for the reason that it is bad and rebellious. See, even the unbelieving rebellious world can discern tattoos for what they are while it seems many believers can't these days.
  8. It's hard to see you as being neutral about this with regards to "liberty" when you are ACTIVELY encouraging Christians to get tattooed. That appears to be the actual PURPOSE of your threads on this topic. WHY?
  9. 1Th 5:21-23 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  10. I'm seeing this like a coin with two sides, and that God being outside the bounds of time might be seeing time as a full circle that is already complete from His perspective. That might help to understand why or how He already knows the end from the beginning....and things that haven't happened yet in time have already happened from the perspective of heaven, they are a fait accomplis. If so, and we look at this as a complete circle, the past and present affects the future, but I believe to have glimpsed that the future also affects the past and present....which all has a bearing on election and being foreknown by God. (And that would also explain why we may have sometimes experienced echoes of our spiritual gifts even before we were saved, and why also the devil persecuted many of us before we were saved.) But these things are not easy to get our heads around and we only know in part. Not something I would argue about, but just putting it out there. If it isn't entirely out in left field it probably is only a partial understanding at best...it's just a glimpse and there might be more to it.
  11. I'm not determined to be offended by you. Wouldn't even have bothered with this unedifying topic if you hadn't called me over here more than once. And no of course that is not what Romans 14 is saying, though you were just speaking sarcastically. This thread is not just discussion, it is actively encouraging young people to do what is contrary to the word of God and holiness.....and that is evil! God doesn't need or want our worldly, fleshly, dubious gimmicks to try and win souls. Our weapons are not carnal but spiritual. Why don't you use your efforts to encourage people in things like that, things that are profitable and edifying to help people grow and mature in Christ? I don't see anything in the word where it teaches followers of Jesus to be led by our feelings and what seemeth right to us. It teaches otherwise.
  12. What a sad state the church is in today. No discernment at all. Regardless of our liberty, Jesus is not the minister of sin and He doesn't want us to defile His temple....HIS temple, not ours, as we have been bought with a price. I wish you would spend your time preaching the word, instead of spreading the gospel of tattoos, and going out of your way so far as to keep asking people specifically to come to your thread to post. It's evil what you are doing, encouraging young believers to get tattooed or become tattoo artists, not just here but on at least one other forum that I've seen, instead of encouraging holiness. One really has to wonder why this is such an important issue for you. I would encourage you at the very least to take to heart the whole chapter of Romans 14 and not just the parts you happen to like. Lord, help us.
  13. Kind of horrifying and depressing to me that the finer points of how to be tattooed and pierced is being discussed on a Christian forum. Doesn't seem appropriate at all.
  14. Hmmm...interesting that is the same rite of passage as pagans. If you don't like the term "good or bad", how about the term "God's will"? Isn't that what we should seek and do according to? I wonder how many would testify truthfully they were led by the Spirit to go get a tattoo.
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