Is Mary a Intercessor?

[Guest 1sheep]

6 minutes ago, Concretecamper said:

I am defending the Catholic Church because I believe she was founded by Christ and her mission is to make disciples of all nations.

The catholic church didnt exist until 325 AD when the council of Nicaea marked the inception of the RC Church led by the reigning Roman Emperor Constatine. History supports this. 

[Concretecamper]

1 minute ago, 1sheep said:

The catholic church didnt exist until 325 AD when the council of Nicaea marked the inception of the RC Church led by the reigning Roman Emperor Constatine. History supports this. 

No, history supports the continuous line of the Bishop of Rome starting with Peter

[Guest 1sheep]

5 minutes ago, Concretecamper said:

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This is from the home page from the forum.  This is so funny...you cant make this stuff up

What about it is funny? 

Im perplexed as to why you would think Living Human Beings are the same as dead human beings. 

[Guest 1sheep]

1 minute ago, Concretecamper said:

No, history supports the continuous line of the Bishop of Rome starting with Peter

Prove it

[Concretecamper]

3 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

Prove it

You can strart here. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Linus

I am not providing this link as proof but as something to get you thinking  If you are intellectually honest, you will, as  I did, read and research both sides.  God bless

[Concretecamper]

21 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

What about it is funny? 

Im perplexed as to why you would think Living Human Beings are the same as dead human beings. 

Because physical death does not demand that you or I cease to be a member of the Body of Christ.  Can you provide scripture that says physical death causes one to cease to be part of His body?  I provide Romans that explicitly says that physical death does not separate one from His body.  

Edited September 28, 2018 by Concretecamper

[Concretecamper]

Also, I encourage the reading of Ignatius of Antioch.

[HAZARD]

24 minutes ago, Concretecamper said:

No, history supports the continuous line of the Bishop of Rome starting with Peter

This is how, when and where the Catholic church began. The city Babylon was built by Nimrod, the mighty hunter (Gen. 10:8-10). It was the seat of the first great apostasy against God after the flood. Here the Babylonian Cult was invented by Nimrod and his Queen, Semiramis. It was a system claiming the highest wisdom and ability to reveal the most divine secrets. This cult was characterized by the word "Mystery" because of its mysteries. Beside confessing to the priests at admission to this cult, one was compelled to drink of "mysterious beverages," which says Salvert (Des Sciences Occultes, Page 259) was indespensible on the part of those who saught initation into these mysteries. The "mysterious beverages' were composed of wine, honey, water, and flour. They were always of an intoxicating nature, and untill the aspirants had come under the influence of it and had their understanding dimmed they were not prepared for what they were to see and hear. The method was to introduce privately, little by little, information under seal of secrecy and sanction of oath that would be impossible to reveal otherwise. This has been the policy of the Roman Church and the secret of the power of the priests over the lives of men whom they could expose to the world for their sins that have been confessed to them. Once admitted, men were no longer Babylonians, Assyrians, or Egyptians, but were members of a mystical brotherhood, over whom was placed a Supreme Pontif or High Priest whos word was final in all things in thelives of the brotherhood regardless of the country in which they lived. The ostensible objects of worship were the Supreme Father, the Incarnate Female or Queen of Heaven, and her Son. The last two were only objects of worship, as the Supreme Father was said not to interfere with mortal affaires (Nimrod 111, Page 239). This system is believed to have come from fallen angels and demons. The object of the cult was to rule the world by these dogmas. Much more can be said but to simplify things, Damasus, Bishop of the Christian Church at Rome, was elected to the office of Supreme Pontif. He had been bishop for twelve years, having been made suchin 366 A. D. through influence of the monks of Mount Carmel, a college of the Babylonian religion originally founded by the priests of Jezebel and continued to this day in connection with Rome. So, in 378 A. D., the babylonian system of religion became part of Christendom, for the bishop of Rome, who later became the supreme head of the organized church, was already Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order. All the teachings of pagan Babylon and Rome were gradually interspersed into the Christian religious organization. Soon after Damasus was made Supreme Pontiff, the rites of Babylon began to come to the front. The worship of the Roman Church became babylonish, and under him, the heathen temples were restored and beautified and the rituals established. Thus, the currupt religious system under the figure of a woman with a golden cup in her hand, making all nations drunk with her fornication, is called by God "MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT."

The first practice that grew up after this union was the introduction of the worship of the saints, especially of the virgin Mary. Thousands of pagans entered the church in those days who were accustomed to worshiping the gods of towns and places, who were not thoroughly Christianized. The veneration of saints and holy men became a worship. Saints were considered lesser dieties, whos intercession availed with God. Places connected with the lives of holy men were considered sacred and pilgrimages were started. Relics or bones of saints were believed to have miraculous power. The worship of the virgin Mary was set up in 381 A. D., three years after Damasus became bead of the Babylonian Cult.

Just as the Babylonian cult worshiped the "Queen of Heaven and her Son" and did not worship the Supreme Father because he simply did not interfere with mortal affairs, so the Roman Chrurch has a similar worship in that they worship Mary as the mother of God and her Son. The image of mother and child was an object of worship in Babylon long before Christ was born. From Babylon it spread to the ends of the Earth. The original mother was Semiramis, the beautiful queen of Nimrod, who was a paragon of unbridled lust and licentiousness.

In the "mysteries," which she had the chief part in forming, she was worshiped as Rhea (Chronicon Paschal, Volume 1, Page 65), the great "Mother of the God's" with such atrocious rites as identified her with Venus, the mother of all impurity. She raised Babylon, where she reigned to eminence among the nations as the great seat idolatry and consecrated prostetution (Hesiod, Theogonia, Volume 36, Page 435). The apocalyptic emblem of the harlot with cup in hand was one of idolatry derived from ancient Babylon, as they were exhibited in Greece, for thus the Greek Venus was originally represented (Herodotus, Historia, Book 1, cap. 199, Page 92).

Ironicilly the Roman Church has taken this as her emblem. In 1825 a medal was struck bearing the image of Pope Leo X11 on one side and on the other side Rome symbolized by a woman with a cross in her left hand and a cup in her right hand and a legend around her "Sedet Super Universum"; that is, "The whole world is her seat."

From this original practice, practically all nations have copied a similar worship, but in each land the same figure is carried out under different names. In Egypt the mother and child are known as Isis and Osiris; in India, Isi and Iswara; in Eastern Asia, Cybel and Deoius; in pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiter-puer; In Greece, Ceres or as Irene with Plutus in arms, etc. In Thibet, China, and Japan the Jesuits were suprised to find the counterpart of the madonna (the Italian name for virgin) and her child as devoutly worshiped as in Rome itself. Shing Moo, the mother of China, is there represented with child in her arms and a glory around her exactly as if a Roman artist had paintd her. Where did these nations get this common worship if not from Babylon before the dispersion by God in the days of Nimrod (Gen. 11). Thus the worship of Mary in connection with her Son is of Babylonian origin for there is no mention of such worshiping Scripture.

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27 minutes ago, Concretecamper said:

No, history supports the continuous line of the Bishop of Rome starting with Peter"

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No mortal man anywhere on Earth, in any country including Rome or even America, is or can be the leader of Christs Church. Jesus Christ is the Rock upon which the Christian church is built upon, not some man?

1 Corinthians 3:11, For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(1 Corinthians 10:4: "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.").

Peter was just a "stone" (John 1:42 KJV: "...thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, "A stone."

Peter was never called by Jesus to lead or build His church, Peter himself stated that he was no more than a fellow elder; (1 Peter 5:1-9). The Pope is said to be infallible, or so were taught as children? Peter was not infallible for he was rebuked by Paul, (Galatians 2:1-11).

The New Testament Church is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive today. This present church is the ekklesia of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church in its largest signification, is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3: 1-11, Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. It is the body of Christ and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. And no man is its head or commander in chief.

Is the pope the vicar (substitute) of Christ on the earth, wielding universal power over the whole church? If you believe the catechism, he is:

"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." Pg. 234, #882

"The Roman Pontiff... as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful..." Pg. 235, #891

If the pope is Christ' s substitute on earth, there should be many similarities in their lives. Let' s see:

While on earth, Jesus never controlled great wealth. The pope controls one of the wealthiest corporations in the world.

• Jesus dressed like a common man. The pope, on the other hand, is never seen in anything but regal apparel.
• Jesus lived in simple surroundings, but the pope views opulence at every turn.
• Jesus tirelessly served the multitudes, while the pope travels the world on his private jet, meeting with world leaders from every nation.
• Most people eventually rejected and hated Jesus because He told the truth. The pope is worshipped and adored by millions worldwide.
• The pope gladly welcomes the praise of men, but Jesus directed all worship to the Father, and said of Himself:

"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18

Should popes accept the worship of multitudes? Look how "Pope" Peter reacted when Cornelius tried to worship him:

"And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man." Acts 10:25-26

Every time a catholic person calls the pope "Holy Father" they are calling him God!

The name "Holy Father" is found only ONE time in the entire Bible and it refers to God the Father! They are calling the pope by God's name! It is extreme blasphemy to call a man by God's name. The following passage shows Jesus praying before He and His disciples went to the garden of Gethsemane:

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Lord, please help people to see the truth!
The pope is even looked upon as the Holy Ghost--Catholics are told that they need him to teach them what God says from the Bible. That's why they have all those encyclical letters and supplementary books. Look at the catholic TV channel one day. They are always quoting from popes--so are "lay" Catholics. Now all of a sudden, he is not only God the Father, but God the Holy Spirit too! The Bible tells us that:

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye NEED NOT that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The Bible says that the antichrist will call himself God. I'm not saying that the current pope is the beast himself, but I am saying that he is an antichrist:

1 John 2:18, Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY ANTICHRISTS; whereby we know that it is the last time.



If it was the "last time" when 1 John was written, how much more so now hundreds of years later! Let us open our eyes and look for these things for they were written for our admonition and spiritual well-being.

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[Concretecamper]

The early Church fathers understood that Peter was the Rock on which Christ built His church.  Christ is the head of His church..agreed.  But Peter and his successors are the visible earthly head of His Church.  

Edited September 29, 2018 by Concretecamper