patrick jane Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 To Fulfil All Righteousness By Justin Johnson http://graceambassadors.com/tradition/baptism/to-fulfil-all-righteousness John the Baptist water baptized Jews. Water baptism was not a new thing. Jews were being water baptized for centuries under the law requirements in the temple and in large pools like Bethesda (John 5:2). However, John was unique in that he was a prophet, did not wear temple garments (he wore camel’s hair), and he preached in the wilderness not near the temple. He preached water baptism and repentance for the remission of sins. Remission of sins is forgiveness. “John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” – Mark 1:4 “And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;” – Luke 3:3 The Baptism of Jesus When Jesus came to be water baptized, John realized that he had no sin to remit, and forbad Jesus to be baptized. “But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?” – Mat 3:14 Jesus insisted to be baptized, but not because he had secret sins to confess. Jesus knew he was God manifest in the flesh, and without sin. The Lord said: “Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.” – Mat 3:15 The reason Jesus needed to be water baptized by John alongside sinful Israel was not because he had secret sins to confess, but to fulfil all righteousness. But, what does that mean? To Fulfill the Law Jesus did not come to destroy the promises, prophets, and laws given to Israel. He was not setting a new pattern with his water baptism, but fulfilling an old one. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” – Matt 5:17 Washings with water were required for many different people at different times with different purposes under the law. If someone failed to do them, they would be guilty of breaking the law. One particular law that was being invoked by John was the washing requirement for all priests. John was preaching the kingdom come and in the kingdom the entire nation of Israel was to be priests unto the Lord (Exo 19:6, Isa 61:6). Jesus kept the law perfectly, and as such submitted himself to the required ordinances to fulfill all righteousness. To Fulfill the Prophets The law and the prophets spoke of Jesus. A few prophecies spoke of the messenger coming before the Lord to prepare his way. “As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” – Mark 1:2-3 (quoting Mal 4:1 and Isa 40:3) John the Baptist was that messenger, and Jesus was the prophesied Lord. God told John a prophecy that he would be able to identify the Messiah through his water baptism. “And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.” – John 1:31-33 If Jesus did not fulfil what was spoken of him then the prophecies would be false, the message of John the Baptist a lie, and God would be unrighteous. Jesus came to fufill the prophets and he fulfilled multiple prophecies by being water baptized of John. To Justify John’s Message Jesus was water baptized to justify John’s message. John the Baptist preached the kingdom was at hand. Those that heard his preaching and justified God’s word to him were water baptized of him (just as they justified God in Jesus’ ministry). “And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.” – Luke 7:29 By being baptized of John, Jesus was saying, “John’s teachings are truly from God”. In order to align himself with God’s prophet and his message, Jesus needed to be water baptized of John. Through participation in the water baptism of sinful Israel, Jesus identified himself with Israel looking for a kingdom come, and then presented himself as the one who would fulfill all righteousness. To Make Himself Known Multiple times in Jesus’ time on earth God spoke from heaven and testified that Jesus was His Son (John 12:28, Mat 17:5). Jesus knew that he was the Son of God (Luke 2:49), and that his water baptism would identify him as such to Israel. Therefore, Jesus insisted to John that he be water baptized of him. When he came up out of the water the Spirit of God descended on him and God spoke for everyone to hear. “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” – Matt 3:16-17 Without his water baptism there would not be this public identification that he was the Son of God. John later would preach this event as proof that he was the Messiah. “And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him… And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.” – John 1:32-34 Conclusion Nobody in Jesus’ time could accomplish what Jesus did in his water baptism. Neither does anyone today in the dispensation of grace need to follow Jesus in baptism. We have a greater baptism that identifies us with Christ, being baptized by faith into his death. “But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!” – Luke 12:50 “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” – Rom 6:3 Jesus was not water baptized to institute a new ordinance. Water baptism was an old tradition. He was not water baptized for the remission of his sins, as was everyone else that was water baptized. He was water baptized to fulfill all righteousness in that he was the prophesied Messiah, the Son of God. -The Baptism Gospel -Does Romans 6:3-4 Teach Water Baptism? -How to Be Baptized Without Getting Wet -List: Baptisms in the Bible -Following the Lord in Baptism -One Lord, One Faith, Three Baptisms! -Acts 2:38 is Not the Preaching of the Cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 Acts 2:38 is Not the Preaching of the Cross By Justin Johnson “Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” – Acts 2:37-38 If Acts 2:38 is the gospel that saves today, then there is no reason to preach the finished work of the cross for salvation. After Peter condemned the men of Israel for killing Jesus, who was both Lord and Christ, many in the crowd sought deliverance from their actions. What should they do to save themselves from the wrath of God that would surely come as a result of their rejection of Christ? Peter’s response did not include trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross. In fact, his response did not include the cross at all! Repentance and Baptism Peter did not preach the cross for salvation, but instead called them all to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. This was the same message of John the Baptist years earlier before the cross of Christ. “John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” – Mark 1:4 John did not baptize in the name of Jesus, but his baptism did help identify Jesus as the Son of God (John 1:31). There was one difference to the message John preached. This water baptism was to be “in the name of Jesus Christ.” The Name of Jesus Christ Jesus and the disciples baptized with John’s baptism of repentance throughout their three year ministry before the cross. Except their message also included the identification of Jesus as the prophesied Christ. “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” – John 3:18 To be baptized meant they were receiving repentance and remission of sins in preparation for the kingdom come, but also believing that Jesus was Christ the King whom John said would come. “And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.” – Luke 7:29 Naming Jesus of Nazareth as Israel’s Christ was the purpose of the Lord’s ministry to Israel. It was on this issue that Jesus evaluated how his ministry was being received. “When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” – Matthew 16:13 All of this was preached before the event of the cross. Moreover, it was preached without the disciples understanding the cross (Matt 16:21-23). The cross was not being preached as the means of salvation unto all. What was preached was the name of Jesus Christ. The Gift of the Holy Ghost The new thing in Peter’s message at Pentecost was the presence of the promised Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38 adds as a consequence of being baptized with John’s baptism, and naming Jesus as the Christ, which was receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. The prophets spoke about the Holy Ghost (including John the Baptist – Matt 3:11). Jesus taught that the Holy Ghost would be necessary for Israel to enter their kingdom. “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” – John 3:5 The Holy Spirit would provide the necessary power for Israel’s new covenant to be fulfilled (Eze 36:26). As God’s purpose for Israel unfolded Acts 2:38 was right on time, but it did not include the revelation of the mystery or the gospel of the cross. The Missing Cross By the time Peter preached Acts 2:38, Christ had died and resurrected, but his message was not offering the cross for salvation. The cross was the means of condemnation. It was another link in a long chain of Israel killing their prophets, and then being called on to repent. Time was running out for Israel, but God was still giving opportunity for them to be forgiven per request of the Lord. “Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” – Luke 23:34 If the preaching of the cross of Christ for salvation is the measure of salvation for today, then Acts 2:38 is not the gospel that saves today. If Acts 2:38 is the gospel that saves today, then we do not need to understand or preach the finished work of the cross of Christ to save. God forbid. “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” – 1 Corinthians 1:17-18 Peter did not yet know what was later revealed to the apostle Paul about the cross. With a full Bible, we have no excuse today for not reading further than Acts 2:38. Top of the Page Article Index Published: January 27, 2018 Last Modified: February 1, 2018 Related posts: -Not Identified With the Holy Ghost -Does Romans 6:3-4 Teach Water Baptism? -Baptism and Manifesting Christ to Israel -The First to Preach the Gospel -Handling Gospel Transition -The Baptism Gospel -One Lord, One Faith, Three Baptisms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 4, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 The First to Preach the Gospel By Justin Johnson The duty of the church is to preach the gospel. This ministry responsibility is unanimously affirmed by Bible believing Christians. However, there is no small disagreement about our pattern for gospel preaching. Different churches pattern their ministry after who they believe preached the gospel first. The first to preach the gospel sets the pattern for those that follow. The Gospel First, we must define the plain and simple gospel. Surely, we must all agree with the clear gospel of the cross found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. “I declare unto you the gospel… By which also ye are saved… how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” – 1 Cor 15:1-4 The gospel is Christ and his finished work on our behalf for salvation. Through faith in the cross of Christ we have God’s grace, atonement for sins, and eternal life. By the gospel we glory in the cross of Christ (Gal 6:14). Now, we already know this gospel was clearly preached by Paul in 1 Corinthians, but Paul also says he was the last to see Christ(1 Cor 15:8). For this reason, we can place Paul at the end of our list of potential first preachers of the gospel. It requires more investigation to see who could possibly have preached the gospel first before him. John the Baptist Mark 1:1 starts with “the beginning of the gospel”, and it is here that the Baptist churches plant their pattern for ministry. “John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” – Mark 1:4 The gospel of John the baptist included water baptism, and repentance for the remission of sins. Unfortunately, John did not know who Jesus was for much of his ministry (Matt 11:2-3). “And I knew him not…” – John 1:33 This would make it obvious that John could not have been first to preach the gospel of Christ and his cross. The future death of Christ was totally absent from John’s preaching. Jesus’ Ministry to Israel Jesus is the Son of God, and began his ministry shortly after John. For this reason, Evangelical churches think the pattern of gospel ministry should come from Jesus’ ministry to Israel. However, when we read what Jesus preached when he began his ministry we find that it was not his death for sins and resurrection, but a kingdom that was prophesied to Israel (Matt 15:24). “Now after that John was put into prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” – Mark 1:14 Clearly, Jesus ministered to the circumcision about the promises made to the fathers(Rom 15:8). Jesus showed himself to be the King and the Son of God, but was silent about his future death until later in his ministry. Peter and the Twelve The Roman Catholics find their pattern of ministry in the hands of Peter, who was given the keys of the kingdom in Matthew 16:19. In this same chapter Jesus began to tell his disciples that he must suffer, die, and be raised (Matt 16:21). This sounds promising, since Christ’s death and resurrection are events so essential for the gospel of salvation, but at this time Peter did not know this was a gospel. “Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.” – Matt 16:22 Obviously, Peter was not here preaching the gospel of the cross, since he tried to prevent the cross the first time he heard about it. Hardly the pattern of church ministry. We should remember that the twelve disciples were sent by the Lord to preach the gospel of the kingdom, not the gospel of the cross: “And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God…” – Luke 9:2 When Christ began to tell them privately of his future death, they did not understand. “And they understood none of these things…” – Luke 18:34 This could only mean that the gospel that the twelve preached did not include the cross. If their preaching did not include the cross, surely their gospel was not the gospel of the cross. Peter at Pentecost It is at this point we move forward to the time when Pentecostals think the gospel began. After all, it was after his resurrection that Christ gave his disciples a commission to preach the gospel. “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” – (Mark 16:15). Which gospel was preached at Pentecost? Was Peter the first to preach the gospel when he was filled with the Holy Ghost? “Then Peter said unto them, ‘Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” – Acts 2:38 What is clear from Peter’s message on the day of Pentecost to Israel was that he repeated John’s preaching of baptism, and Jesus’ gospel of the kingdom, but where is the cross? “But ye denied the Holy One and the Just… and killed the Prince of life.” – Acts 3:14-15 While he preaches the death of Christ, Peter condemns Israel for killing Christ and does not preach the cross as their glory (Acts 5:28, Acts 10:39). Killing their own Messiah on the cross was their shame. This is not preaching the cross as good news. Paul’s Pattern Having investigated every minister and ministry before him, we are left with Paul’s gospel in 1 Corinthians 15. Looking closer at Paul’s ministry we find something very interesting about who preached the gospel first. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins…” – 1 Cor 15:3 Though Paul was the last to see the Lord, apparently, he was also the first to preach the gospel of salvation as the glory of the cross (Gal 6:14, 1 Cor 1:18). A dispensation of the gospel was committed to Paul (1 Cor 9:17), and he wrote very early in his ministry a certification of his unique apostleship: “I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.” – Gal 1:11-12 Since Paul was the first to preach the gospel, it follows that the church must find its pattern for preaching the gospel of Christ from Paul. “…that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe…” – 1 Tim 1:16 Top of the Page Article Index Published: November 23, 2013 Last Modified: March 15, 2018 Related posts: -The Twelve Did Not Preach the Cross -The Baptism Gospel -Did Jesus Preach the Cross for Salvation? -A Gospel Without the Cross -Verse List: The Twelve Did Not Preach the Cross -The Gospel Missing in John -When Did the Church Begin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 6, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 Not Identified With the Holy Ghost @Gleason92 By Justin Johnson Have you ever met a Holy Ghost Christian? They are the folks who think the Holy Ghost does not get the attention he deserves and so make his power, manifestation, and glory the central focus of their meetings. They might even identify themselves as Pentecostal, since it was on the day of Pentecost two thousand years ago that the remnant of Israel was identified with the Holy Ghost power from above. Holy Ghost Christians looking to identify themselves with the Holy Ghost at Pentecost have missed the true identity of a Christian. Baptism With the Holy Ghost John the Baptist spoke of the Pentecostal identification with the Holy Ghost. “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:” – Matthew 3:11 It was called a baptism. After all, baptism is best described as your being immersed or initiated into something that results in a change of identity. Baptism was used in the old testament to identify and ordain priests. They were baptized with water, oil, and blood (Exo 34:25; Exo 40:12). John the Baptist identified sinners that repented with the cleansing of water for the remission of sins (Mark 1:4). The Pentecostal believers were baptized with the promised Holy Ghost power. Jesus said before his ascension: “ For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence…. ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you…“ – Acts 1:5-8 When Christ sent the Holy Ghost who filled the believers at Pentecost, they were immediately identified with the Holy Ghost and his power. Peter explained: “ Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.” – Acts 2:33 Peter even called upon the audience to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38). The baptism with the Holy Ghost at Pentecost was all about the power and presence of the Holy Ghost filled believers. They were identified with the Holy Ghost from heaven. Our Identity in the Church, Which is His Body Our identity today in the church is not that of the Holy Ghost, but of Christ. Though the Spirit dwells in all who believe (1 Cor 3:16; Eph 1:13), and Paul manifested the power of the Spirit, we are not identified with the Holy Ghost today, but with Christ himself. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says that we are “baptized into one body”. That is to say our identity has changed to that of the body of Christ (Eph 1:22-23). We are called a “new creature” and the “workmanship of God” (Eph 2:10; 2 Cor 5:17). How are we identified as his workmanship? The message we preach is completely of grace. It is Christ’s work on our behalf. We are identified with Christ through baptism into his death and resurrection. We who trust the gospel of Christ without the law, without Israel, and without covenants, are now identified as members of the body of Christ (Eph 1:22-23). Our identity is found in him as the Head of the Body of Christ. All saved Christians have the Spirit dwelling in them, yet the identification of a Christian is by Christ in you (Col 1:27). The Pentecostal believers needed to be identified with the Holy Ghost and his power to preach the gospel of the kingdom, and to separate themselves from unbelieving Israel. Christ sent them the Holy Ghost from heaven. Their baptism identified them with the Holy Ghost. Believers today need to be identified with the body of Christ and all blessing by grace through his finished work. The holy Spirit places us into Christ. Our baptism identifies us with the body of Christ. The one baptism is not one that identifies with the Holy Ghost kingdom power, but with Christ and the power of his cross. This is the one baptism and one body that Paul speaks about in Ephesians 4:4-6, not the baptism at Pentecost. Top of the Page Article Index Published: December 9, 2017 Last Modified: December 20, 2017 Related posts: -How to Be Baptized Without Getting Wet -Does 1 Cor 12:13 Describe the Spirit Baptism at Pentecost? -The Spirit Baptism Problem in Acts 8:14-17 -What is Baptism? -List: Baptisms in the Bible -Did God Pour Out His Spirit In Response To Extreme Faith? -One Lord, One Faith, Three Baptisms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 7, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 Does 1 Cor 12:13 Describe the Spirit Baptism at Pentecost? http://graceambassadors.com/tradition/baptism/does-1_cor12_13-describe-the-spirit-baptism-at-pentecost By Justin Johnson Paul says there is one baptism (Eph 4:5). No one dare make that water baptism since Paul clearly makes it baptism by the Spirit in 1 Cor 12:13 and Gal 3:27. Yet it is a common mistake to conflate Paul’s baptism by the Spirit and the baptism with the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. The reasoning normally does not go further than that both baptisms utilize the Holy Spirit. Yet, just because we read the same word (in Greek or English) it does not mean the context is the same. These two baptisms should be separated because of a difference in who is baptizing, who is being baptized, and why they are being baptized. Who is Baptizing? Mathew 3:11 is one of the most useful verses in the doctrine of baptisms. It clearly delineates who performs the different baptisms. “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:” – Matthew 3:11 John performs the first baptism. Jesus performs the second and the third baptism. John baptizes with water. Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost and fire. One thing is certain: water is never doing the baptism. John is the agent who performs the baptism with water. Jesus is the agent who performs the baptism with fire. Likewise, the Holy Spirit is not doing the baptism. Jesus is the agent who performs the baptism with the Spirit. In Paul’s baptism of 1 Cor 12:13, we do not find John or Jesus performing the baptism. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” – 1 Cor 12:13 Here, the Spirit is baptizing us into the body (of Christ). Romans 6:3 explains this as well. “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” – Romans 6:3 This baptism is into Christ. This cannot be the water baptism of John which was into water. It cannot be the baptism performed by Jesus which was with the Spirit. It is most obviously the unique baptism described by Paul in 1 Cor 12 which is performed by the Spirit into Christ. Greek prepositions Some will make much ado about the underlying Greek prepositions in the verses mentioned above. Those who wish to make the baptisms the same will say that the words ‘by’ and ‘with’ are interchangeable in the Greek. Although this is an oversimplification in some cases it may be true. Yet, the preposition does not determine the context of the baptism. Rather the clearly translated context determines the rightness of the English preposition. If the verses are reread with any of the prepositional variations that are suggested it remains obvious that the agents and the objects are different. Knowing that lengthy discussions about Greek translations are mostly red herrings and of minimal usefulness to English speaking people, following are two other reasons why the baptisms are different despite the preposition. Who is being baptized? The audience is a significant factor in determining the context and application of the baptisms. John’s baptism with water was to repentant Israel. This is not contested as he was in the wilderness of Judea and was teaching the fulfillment of the Jewish prophecies to Jews under the Old Testament (Mat 3:1-6). Jesus’ baptism with the Spirit which unarguably occurs at Pentecost is also unto repentant Israel (Acts 2:38). Peter’s message was to an audience entirely of “men of Israel” and proclaimed his message as a fulfillment of the prophecies given to Israel about the Messiah and the kingdom (Acts 2:14). “Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.” – Acts 3:24-25 It is evident that Peter was not preaching the same message that Paul taught about the cross, the Jew / Gentile church, the fall of Israel, their future destiny, or justification (see Peter vs Paul). Peter was following the law and righteousness with works as far forward as Acts 10:35 and Gal 2:11. The nature of the audience and the message taught signifies a distinct baptism. Why are they being baptized? Both baptisms involving the Spirit do not utilize any earthly element. (Although you can make a case that the Holy Ghost baptism of Pentecost would not be evident without the laying on of hands; Acts 8:15-16.) Christ and the Spirit are the agent and object. In one Christ is the agent identifying New Testament Israel with the Spirit. In the other the Spirit is the agent identifying the new creature with Christ. This simple difference is the most significant of all! The purpose of the Holy Ghost baptism was to fulfill the prophecy of the New Testament in providing the power for the remnant of Israel to endure the tribulation, enter the kingdom, and supernaturally follow the law as was once required of them (Exodus 19:5-6). “And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.” – Eze 36:27 In order to be a part of the New Testament the believing remnant needed Christ’s blood (Heb 9:15-16), water baptism (Luke 7:29, Mark 16:16), and the power of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5-8). This purpose of the anointing baptism by Christ with the Spirit was to teach them all things (John 14:26, 1 John 2:27). If they rejected this power then there remained no more forgiveness for them (Heb 6:4-6, 10:24-27). Contrast this purpose with the Spirit’s function for believers under grace. “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” – Eph 1:13 By baptizing (identifying) us into Christ’s death there is no need for a testament or list of good deeds to keep us in proper standing with God. Instead it is the Spirit itself which becomes the seal and evidence of our union with Christ (Romans 8:9). Instead of baptizing us into Israel’s New Testament (Heb 8:10), we are baptized into Christ himself. This new creature is not identified with any national covenants but contains members of any nationality (Gal 3:38). Conclusion Whereas the Pentecostal baptism was necessary to establish the kingdom promised to Israel, the baptism by the Spirit is needed to place us into the body of Christ. They are different baptisms with different agents, different audiences, and different purposes. The danger of conflating the two is seen in many different forms the most egregious of which is held by some of our Pentecostal friends that if you are not filled with the Pentecostal Holy Ghost baptism then you are not a member of the church. “Where are those signs that follow?” they ask (Mark 16:17-18). The answer is only found in a Pauline division. Top of the Page Article Index Published: January 30, 2010 Last Modified: August 4, 2016 Related posts: -One Lord, One Faith, Three Baptisms! -How to Be Baptized Without Getting Wet -Does Romans 6:3-4 Teach Water Baptism? -List: Baptisms in the Bible -Following the Lord in Baptism -Baptism and Manifesting Christ to Israel -The Most Important Baptism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted May 7, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,058 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1,031 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 7, 2018 Dispensationalism, is merely a means to an end. That end is the knowledge of God, in Christ Jesus our Lord. To know God's will and purpose, and what He requires of us in this present administration. That we may walk and worship in a manner that is pleasing to Him, and bring glory to His Name. May His Name be glorified! In Christ Jesus Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted May 8, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted May 8, 2018 16 hours ago, Christine said: Dispensationalism, is merely a means to an end. That end is the knowledge of God, in Christ Jesus our Lord. To know God's will and purpose, and what He requires of us in this present administration. That we may walk and worship in a manner that is pleasing to Him, and bring glory to His Name. May His Name be glorified! In Christ Jesus Chris And on that note may all walk by the power of His indwelling grace . The grace that has appeared and brings salvation . Teaching us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be walking soberly , righteously , and godly in this present world as we await with hope the coming of Our Lord . Sister , you loved and throw those hands up , UP and praise the GOD the Father of our LORD and savoir Christ . Yes, that we walk worthy of HE who has called us . Paul says that in several letters . Sister when I read that which you wrote it was encouraging . You throw those hands up and Sing to the LORD. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 10, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Verse List: Baptisms in the Bible It is a common mistake to think that water baptism is the only baptism in the Bible. Every time the word “baptism” is mentioned people wrongly assume water. The Bible mentions many baptisms, and many of them are dry including the one and only baptism required for being a member of the body of Christ. “…One Lord, one faith, one baptism,…” – Eph 4:5 This one baptism is our baptism into Christ by the Spirit (1 Cor 12:13). This is the one baptism taught by the apostle Paul, and the only one that accompanies salvation in this dispensation (1 Cor 12:13; Rom 6:3; Gal 3:27; Col 2:12) Here is the list of distinct baptisms in the Bible. Only the ones in blue are wet. Can you find the common thread among the baptisms that include water? DOWNLOAD THIS VERSE LIST: PDF Noah’s type baptism Peter mentions that eight people were saved by water in an ark as a type of a future baptism. Water is present, but the people are dry.(Gen 6:13; 1 Peter 3:20-21) Baptism unto Moses Paul presents Israel’s baptism unto Moses “in the cloud and in the sea”. Water is present, but the people are dry. (1 Cor 10:1-2; Exo 14:29) Israel’s ceremonial cleansings These cleansing rituals were required under the Mosaic Law for the cleansing of the people. (Num 19:13; Lev 11:25; Exo 19:14; Exo 30:17-21; Heb 9:10) Levitical priesthood baptisms These washings were required in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses. (Exo 29:4; Lev 8:6; Num 8:7) Traditional Jewish baptisms These baptisms were not mandated under the Law but were part of Jewish tradition. (Mt 15:1-2; Mk 7:1-9; Lk 11:38) John’s baptism John came to Israel baptizing with water for the remission of sins so that they could enter the promised kingdom to Israel and identify their Messiah. (Mt 3:5-6; Mk 1:4; Lk 3:3; Jn 1:31; Lk 7:29; Acts 10:37) Jesus’ baptism by John Jesus, who knew no sin, was baptized by John to fulfill all righteousness under the law. (Mat 3:13-17; Mk 1:9-10) Baptism with fire Jesus would baptize the nation with fire as they went through the tribulation. This trial baptism would damn the unfaithful to hell. (Isa 4:4; Mal 3:2-3; Mt 3:11; Lk 3:16) Jesus’ baptism unto death Jesus’ second baptism which he accomplished at the cross where he was identified with the sins of Israel and the world. (Mt 20:22-23; Mk 10:38-39; Luke 12:50) Pentecostal water baptism Peter’s presentation of water baptism for the remission of sins in the name of Jesus. This was John’s baptism plus the name of Jesus.(Acts 2:38; Mk 16:16; Mt 28:19; Acts 22:16; Eze 36:25) Pentecostal Spirit baptism This is the baptism with the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ from heaven poured out upon the believing remnant of Israel with signs and powers following. (Isa 44:3; Mt 3:11; Mk 1:8; Lk 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16) Gentile baptism of Cornelius Cornelius was baptized with the Holy Spirit as a sign to Peter. Peter subsequently baptizes Cornelius and the other Spirit-filled Gentiles with water in a different order but for the same reason as Pentecost. (Acts 10:45-48) Baptism for the dead This baptism is debated heavily and is most likely synonymous with one of the other baptisms. If this is true, “for the dead” would signify the circumstance under which those believers were baptized. (1 Cor 15:29) Baptism into Christ The only baptism taught by Paul which identifies the believer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 10, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Note: The first chart below represents how the Bible would have ended up laid out had God not interrupted the Timeline He had Prophesied through Israel's Prophets concerning His plan and purpose for the Earth through that Nation; temporarily planned to be interrupted by Him with the Mystery (concerning His plan and purpose for the Heavenlies through a New Creature: the Body of Christ) first revealed to and through The Apostle Paul. The second chart shows The Mystery and what it is all about, etc. Understanding The Bible http://clearspringsbiblechurch.org/d...ational-chart/ “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth” (II Tim. 2:15) In Eph. 2 the Apostle Paul sets forth the basic three-fold division in God’s dealings with mankind: Time Past (v.11,12), But Now (v.13), and The Ages to Come (v.7). When the Bible is “laid out” according to this divinely inspired design we easily get an overview of not only what we are reading but when and to whom it was written. Thus the Word of God itself provides us with the key to its own proper understanding and right division: See the definitions of each at the bottom of this page. The chart below is in two parts as a way of demonstrating the importance of the secret, hidden nature of the present dispensation of grace (Eph. 3:1-9). See the first part of the chart to hide the “mystery” section and you will see the perfect continuity of that “which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21). See the second part of the chart to reveal the mystery program and you will visualize how the prophetic program has been temporarily interrupted by “the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest” (Rom. 16:25,26) Time Past: Eph. 2:11,12 sets forth the basic issue in Time Past as the division between Circumcision and the Uncircumcision, between the nation Israel and the Gentiles. When you find this issue governing the way God was working with men, you know you are in Time Past. This covers the Old Testament (see Gen. 17:9-14, Deut. 4:5-8, Num. 23:9) as well as Matthew thru John (see Rom. 15:8, Matt. 10:5,6; 15:24, John 4:22) and the early Acts period (see Luke 24:47, Acts 1:6,8;2:14,22,36;5:32;11:19). But Now: Eph. 2:13 indicates that in the But Now portion Gentiles are no longer “far off” but rather the “middle wall of partition” between Israel and the Gentiles has been eliminated and now” those who were far off are made nigh.” Romans thru Philemon provide the doctrine for the dispensation of grace (Rom. 11:13;15:16;16:25, I Cor. 14:37, Eph. 3:1-9). Ages to Come: God will bring His purposes to fruition and thus Eph. 2:7 points to the Ages to Come. The books of Hebrews thru Revelation focus on this. Remember: While all Scripture is for us, all Scripture is not written to or about us. This is the key to understanding the Bible. Note on the statement "When you find this issue governing the way God was working with men, you know you are in Time Past..." In other words, whenever you are studying Scripture and you find God dealing with people on the basis of their circumcision in the flesh (Gen. 17's Covenant of Circumcision between God and Abraham) you know you are reading "instruction in righteousness" (2 Tim. 3:16-17) pertaining to Israel, and her Timeline (2 Tim. 2:15-18 ). And you find you don't need to attempt to harmonize things that differ between that which concerns Israel, and that which concerns the Body of Christ, and can simply be to whom, for whom, and about they were written. Case in point, of many in Scripture, is an actual, Dispensational difference between Romans 4 and James 2 that many fail to grasp. Romans 4 is addressing The Body of Christ (Rom. 12:5) and is based on Abraham's faith before he was in circumcision - in other words, when he was a Gentile, (Rom. 4:10). In contrast to that, James 2 is addressed "to the Twelve tribes scattered abroad" (James 1:1) concerning Abraham as their example after he was circumcision (Gen. 22). @Gleason92 Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament (Cosmos) - Click This Link For The Best Thread/Videos - Must Watch Hearing, believing and trusting the gospel of our salvation seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promises. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 KJV - Romans 10:17 KJV - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick jane Posted May 15, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 596 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/01/1969 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Was the Mystery Hidden in Prophecy? By Justin Johnson - http://graceambassadors.com/mystery/was-the-mystery-hidden-in-prophecy “…the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Rom 16:25 This should be clear enough, but it is often rejected by claiming that the mystery of Christ was prophesied but hidden in the old testament, the law, or the promises given to Abraham. This is an outright denial of what Paul says by inspiration that the mystery of Christ was “kept secret since the world began”. If something was revealed since the world began until Paul, it can not be the mystery of Christ revealed to Paul. “Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:” – Col 1:26 The mystery was hidden from past ages of time. There is no time in the past in which this mystery was made known, until now. “But Peter says the prophets prophesied of grace in 1 Pet 1:10” Then what was prophesied about grace cannot be the mystery of Christ, even if they did not understand what they prophesied. That they prophesied at all means God revealed and did not keep it secret (Deu 29:29). God’s word says the mystery was hid “from generations”. There is no generation of men that was given this information until Paul. “Then, where was the mystery of Christ hid if not in the Old Testament writings?” Eph 3:9 explains that the mystery was “from the beginning of the world hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ”. God the creator, before the world began, decided to keep this mystery a secret, hidden, and unknown until He revealed it to the apostle Paul by the Spirit (Eph 3:3-5; Gal 1:15-16; Rom 15:15-16). It was not hidden in the Old Testament writings, nor in the New Testament writings, nor in the promises given to Abraham. “But the prophets did speak of Christ’s death, forgiveness of sins, and grace to Gentiles.” Then those things cannot be the mystery kept secret, unknown to ages and generations, hidden from the beginning in God as the Scripture states. If the mystery was in prophecy then it ceases to be a mystery. This is the foundation of rightly dividing the word of truth, and the only way to keep from denying the secret nature of the mystery. To Paul was revealed the mystery of Christ’s headship in heaven with one body called the church united to him freely by God’s grace through Christ’s death, blood, and resurrection. This mystery of Christ is not found at all in prophecy. If something was revealed since the world began until Paul, it cannot be the mystery of Christ revealed first to Paul. “This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.” – Eph 5:32 Top of the Page Article Index Published: July 12, 2014 Last Modified: April 14, 2018 Related posts: -Secret Since the World Began -What Men Fail to See -Pentecost Not the Beginning of the Mystery Church -Why Haven’t I Heard This Before? -Mistaken Views of the Mystery -Was Christ’s Death Prophesied? -A Mystery in the Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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