Gideon Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, Butero said: That is all well and good, but wouldn't it make more sense and do more good to tell people how to walk in victory now and stop worrying about a future age of aquarius for the church? If I have been given the secret to walking in victory, that is what I would be preaching to help people now, today! Brother, you have read my posts from the very beginning. I have shared again and again as to what we have missed and how to walk away from the old nature by reckoning it dead right now. This, when Satan comes tempting us, instead of cowering or trying our best to resist him in our strength, we hold up our shield of faith, believing in the fact that we are not in the flesh Aand that we owe it NOTHING. You have asked question after question about what I have been sharing and I have patiently and kindly gone to great efforts to answer every single one to the best of my ability. And in truth, up until recently, you too have been graceful in your replies to me. So why the change of attitude now to begin accusing? Do I sound “new age” to you? Really? It was a low blow that was not delivered in love and you know it. If no one in the church awakes, and things remain as they are, and multitudes of His children continue to wrestle unsuccessfully with porn, or.anger, or worldliness or pride, will that make you feel better? Shall the world continue to call His children hypocrites and rightfully so? Shall we rest content with our salvation but without godliness of character while the world faces the wrath of the lamb and wenot be even a bit concerned? Are we so confident that we will hear “Well done,, thou good and faithful servant” that we care less if others of our brothers remain hanging on by their fingernails, overcome by the world, the flesh and the devil? I am disappointed that you have chosen to ignore all that I have written about how to walk in victory and choked on the fact that I believe there will be multitudes of children of God who will finally be able to stare down Satan when he attaches and have their peace with God uninterrupted. Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 You said you took off the grave clothes and walk in victory. You said all can do it now through faith and walking according to the new man. I accept that message. There is no reason to wait on an awakening to come. You said that yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 23, 2018 Wha??? Why the sudden negative mood here? Because Butero made a passing reference to age of aquarius? I didn't see that as him calling you a new-age person. It looked to me like a harmless reference. In defense of Butero, it's been five pages and I also feel like the central sticking point remains unresolved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 hours ago, Gideon said: You are absolutely right. There is absolutely no reason to any of us to wait for even one more hour. But there is an entire church to awaken. That is why I speak of it as an awakening that is coming for ALL His sheep. Why would we want to wait when God offers us freedom from our old nature right now, today? My task is simply to share the message, not determine who is walking in that freedom. All I can say is that those who have put on their new man have discovered the way to victory over the world and its pull on us, the flesh and its desires that are contrary to God, and Satan, the enemy of our souls. I rejoice with any that have found God’s promises are yea and amen. Blessings, Gideon A-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gideon said: If no one in the church awakes, and things remain as they are, and multitudes of His children continue to wrestle unsuccessfully with porn, or.anger, or worldliness or pride, will that make you feel better? These are the things that cause us confusion. Is no one in the church awake right now? Without this great awakening, will "no one" awaken? Are some among us awake and walking in full victory, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Butero said: You said you took off the grave clothes and walk in victory. You said all can do it now through faith and walking according to the new man. I accept that message. There is no reason to wait on an awakening to come. You said that yourself. Absolutely, there is no reason any has to wait. I have made that clear again and again. But there are multitudes that have not yet heard and thus are not yet walking in true victory with their shields of faith up. . Therefore..... what we can walk in today, for them, it is still to come. I am struggling to find out why that is difficult to understand. Blessings, Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Gideon said: Therefore..... what we can walk in today, for them, it is still to come. Why is there an elite inner circle of people who get freedom while everyone is left to scratch in the dirt? This is what we don't understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, pg4Him said: These are the things that cause us confusion. Is no one in the church awake right now? Without this great awakening, will "no one" awaken? Are some among us awake and walking in full victory, or not? Sister, we all have been asleep. It does not mean we are not saved. It means we have not been “safe”. But as we all learn the power found in appropriating His death as the death of our old nature, and we put on, by faith, our new nature that can be caused to obey Him, to our amazement, we discover that we can indeed say no to temptation every time. Would we like to be able to do that? Blessings, Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Gideon said: Absolutely, there is no reason any has to wait. I have made that clear again and again. But there are multitudes that have not yet heard and thus are not yet walking in true victory with their shields of faith up. . Therefore..... what we can walk in today, for them, it is still to come. I am struggling to find out why that is difficult to understand. Blessings, Gideon Because we can simply take the message of walking in the Spirit by faith and according to the new man to them now er than a message of waiting. Pentecost has already come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted April 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Gideon said: Sister, we all have been asleep. It does not mean we are not saved. It means we have not been “safe”. But as we all learn the power found in appropriating His death as the death of our old nature, and we put on, by faith, our new nature that can be caused to obey Him, to our amazement, we discover that we can indeed say no to temptation every time. Would we like to be able to do that? So we are saved (and have removed grave clothes unto salvation) but there is none among us, no not one, endowed with Pentecost at this very moment? Full awakening is yet to come for each and every one of us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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