Adstar Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Dan_79 said: Ok so please correct me if I am wrong.. "Atheist" can now be added to the list of definitions for the term "Jew" ? Yes some Jews are atheist.. The truth is the only definition that covers all Jews is people who believe they are genetic decendants of the man Israel.. all other definitions will not cover all Jews.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_79 Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 301 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1979 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Adstar said: Yes some Jews are atheist.. The truth is the only definition that covers all Jews is people who believe they are genetic decendants of the man Israel.. all other definitions will not cover all Jews.. Interesting, as the term "Jew" from originally meaning a Judahite (from or of the tribe of Judah), who have Gods "ever lasting" covenant now can be used to include edom and the accursed Esau? Edited May 1, 2018 by Dan_79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dan_79 said: Interesting, as the term "Jew" from originally meaning a Judahite (from or of the tribe of Judah), who have Gods "ever lasting" covenant now can be used to include edom and the accursed Esau? I do not know where you get the Edomites and Esau from and why you are associating them with the Jewish decadents of Israel.. Edomites where not Jews.. Edited May 1, 2018 by Adstar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_79 Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 301 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1979 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Adstar said: I do not know where you get the Edomites and Esau from and why you are associating them with the Jewish decdnants of Israel.. Edomites where not Jews.. No I'm not. I am saying if you did not know what "Jew" was in this context you would unwittingly include "Jews" as the same as Edom/Esau. The "Jews" who wrote the encyclopedia Judaica state that Edom is in modern JEWRY. so originally I asked is it not better to use distinction in ALL uses of scripture instead of using the generalization? Where "Jews" means Isrealites use "Israelites" and drop the former "Jew" to add clarity or distinction? Edited May 1, 2018 by Dan_79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Dan_79 said: The "Jews" who wrote the encyclopedia Judaica state that Edom is in modern JEWRY. Ok i did not know that... Thanks for the info... Many modern day Jews have really been twisted by the tulmud and the traditions of men.. And the zohar and other uninspired books 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_79 Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 301 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1979 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yowm said: In context of the passage it is associated with the circumcised under the Mosaic Law and that has been my point, you need to ask in relation to what? So, it would help if you gave your reason for asking 'what is a Jew'? I do or have done. "Jew" being the most interchangable word in the bible it must of inspired John to warn about this in Rev. Edited May 1, 2018 by Dan_79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_79 Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 301 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1979 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yowm. Ok here is another way of putting it.. Gal 3:28 Then read Rev 3:9 It shouldn't even be an issue if we only heard Paul so why did John correct this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_79 Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 301 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1979 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Adstar said: Ok i did not know that... Thanks for the info... Many modern day Jews have really been twisted by the tulmud and the traditions of men.. And the zohar and other uninspired books There are multiple sources accrediting this online. (use discernment always). I think Josephus the historian "Jew" says something similar. Edited May 1, 2018 by Dan_79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_79 Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 301 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1979 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yowm said: John corrected it? John said 'those who call themselves Jews'..there is no correction. This why I asked what kind of "Jew" is Paul telling us he is. And why did Jesus ask the same person who endorses Paul in Simon(Peter) look after his flock in Johns scriptures three times (It grieved Peter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted May 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dan_79 said: Yowm. Ok here is another way of putting it.. Gal 3:28 Then read Rev 3:9 It shouldn't even be an issue if we only heard Paul so why did John correct this? In context:: Galatians 3: KJV 27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. {28} There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. {29} And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." Revelation 3: KJV 8 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. {9} Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." I believe the first verse Galatians 3: is talking about the unity in Christ of people who are genetically descendants of Abraham who have accepted Jesus as LORD and the gentiles who are spiritually the seed of Abraham.. There is no distinction in regard to their eternal position with God.. They are one people now in Spirit.. The second verse Revelation 3: I believe is talking about Jews genetic Jews who ceased following the Torah and thus ceased being even Torah based Jews in Spirit but where given over to pagan or Babylonian type beliefs.. They identified themselves as Jews because of their genetic connection with Abraham.. But in terms of spiritually belonging to the Torah believing Jewish community they where not Jews at all.. There are many Jews today in this condition.. They follow the tulmud and the zohar and have adopted pagan traditions.. These are the type of people that will be forced to worship before the feet of the saved .. who also include some people of genetic decent to Abraham and who have also embraced Jesus as LORD.. Hope i have been clear enough.. It is hard separating two different people in spirit when they are the same people in genetic terms.. Edited May 1, 2018 by Adstar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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