Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: But that is not how we use words all of the time especially in certain genres. In poetry, proverbial language and in figurative devices, words are not necessarily used according to their dictionary meaning. And to take a passage "literally" means to understand it the way the author intends. I understand. But when it comes to the bible, that phrase "the way the author intends" really means, "what one infers from what the author penned". The inference may be correct, but inference it is. Which means it is an interpretation, which means one may be dead wrong." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: So what? It is how words are applied that is most important. Word usage trumps word meaning. If I say, "I love it when people cut me off in traffic," I mean the word "love" to reflect what I hate. So words in a literary setting can be used in a manner that does not reflect their dictionary definition. Yep. But we are talking about Revelation. It is a book of symbols. One takes the whole thing "literally" at their peril. The churches are not literal lampstands, Jesus is not a literal lamb and the second death is not a literal lake of fire. Those things are all symbols. They are not to be taken as "literal" lamb, lampstands and lake of fire. This is basic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Davida said: WE are speaking in the context of interpreting the Bible scripture. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Yowm said: You guys are putting forth the same arguments I've seen for the last 44 years. What guys are you talking about? What arguments are you talking about. FWIW, some arguments are 2,000 years old and I agree with them. e.g. the death of Jesus as atonement for sin and his resurrection as first fruits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: The definition of "literally" is not in dispute. It is the application of it that is in dispute. Exactly. It is because the application is, well, not within the scope of the definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: It is mean to be a metaphor. Understanding it as a metaphor means that I understand it in the light of the object that the author has in view. That is what it means to take something literally. You had me up to the last sentence. It's a non-sequitur to me. You can infer a literal translation of a metaphor, but that doesn't mean you took the metaphor literally, nor that your inference is correct. It is an opinion of what you think someone meant with their metaphor. e.g. people that think the locusts are helicopters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Yowm said: The same arguments you are bringing up. RT goes back about 1900 years...close enough. The only thing I've been talking about is the whacky definition of "literally" I'm seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Davida said: I really do not see evidence of that in your posts at all. Your ideas of the Bible & beliefs are way off in some areas. If you had been yrs ago a discipled born again believer back then, you wouldn't profess such a confused theology that you do now. Opinions vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Davida said: But, you obviously don't get this, no matter what smily face you put on it. Don't get what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 2, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,029 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 1,226 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yowm said: Like literally taking the Church to be the Body of believers made up of believing Jews and Gentiles? 1000 years meaning 1000 x 365 days? 6 days of creation in Gen 1? etc. That one cracked me up. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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