childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Montana Marv said: Paul states in 2 Cor 12:2 that the 3rd Heaven is Gods Abode, So this individual ascended to the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life. I think not. Now was/were the books of Enoch written on ??? before the flood. Did they come on the Ark with Noah. Or were they spoken and transferred from generation to generation until being put on paper ??? So how much was added at this time, or how much was lost at this time. before becoming script. Paul and your book disagree. In Christ Montana Marv Paul DOES NOT disagree!! What he wrote was a man visited the 3rd Heaven, he does not claim this is where God abides. That is MAN'S TRADITION LIKE PRE-TRIB, LIKE PETER BEING FIRST POPE, LIKE THE DIDACHE WAS FROM THE ACTUAL APOSTLES, LIKE USING PERSONS TO DESCRIBE FATHER-SON-HOLY SPIRIT (when there IS NO mention of PERSONS). You obviously don't ever separate scripture from opinion!! In 2 Corinthians Paul the Apostle writes, "I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows. And I know that such a person—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows—was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat."[6] ^NOWHERE does it claim this is where God lives!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Montana Marv said: This verse states ALL will follow this individual, not some, but all; you included as you say. In Christ Montana Marv Verse 13 shows a clear difference: No wonder you cannot separate the verses for Second Coming to your false meaning of rapture!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 hours ago, iamlamad said: The truth is, most pretribbers cannot count: they do call His coming FOR His church the "second" coming, but then call His coming 7 years later WITH His church the second coming. I guess they just cannot count. His coming FOR His church, pretrib is indeed the second time He will come, but He does not touch down - He remains in the air and then escorts the church to heaven to wait out the time of His wrath on earth. When He comes after the "trib" WITH His church, it will then be His THIRD coming. Therefore, always remember, 1 Thes. 4:15 speaks of the 2nd coming of our Lord - but only to the air and in the clouds. Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, and Rev. 19 all speak of the 3rd time Jesus will come to earth, but this time He will touch down and stay. EVERYTHING I say lines up with the written Word of God. Of course it won't line up with false doctrines. Yes, true: the verses I use do line up with a SECOND coming, but not the THIRD coming. You imagine after the church is caught up into the clouds and meet the Lord in the air, then Jesus continues on down to the ground - but you have a ad lib that second part, for it is NOT scripture - it is only imagination. And in this imagination, you have to ignore John 14. Three Comings is not scriptural at all!! When Yeshua spoke in Matthew 24, if He was going to come before and after Trib He would had mentioned it. He does mention coming AFTER, so if He was coming before He definitely would had included that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 hours ago, iamlamad said: You have proven over and over that your theories don't agree with the written word. What is written you call "myth." The truth is, it is your theories that are myth. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON!! Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: THE FIRST 15 VERSES SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON!! Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? THE FIRST 15 VERSES SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON!! Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING WRATH OF SATAN/ANTICHRIST DURING TRIBULATION!! Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT!! Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! DUDE, you are making things up to fit your False Doctrine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, childoftheking said: THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON!! Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: THE FIRST 15 VERSES SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON!! Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? THE FIRST 15 VERSES SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON!! Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING WRATH OF SATAN/ANTICHRIST DURING TRIBULATION!! Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT!! Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING ARMAGEDDON, JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. THIS VERSE SPEAK OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT AND LAKE OF FIRE!! DUDE, you are making things up to fit your False Doctrine!! Wrong. Is is about Armageddon which follows the 70th Week. The Lake of Fire follows the Mill. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, childoftheking said: Verse 13 shows a clear difference: No wonder you cannot separate the verses for Second Coming to your false meaning of rapture!! From your non Canon text. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 hours ago, iamlamad said: Wow. Did Elijah and Elisha operate under the anointing of the Holy Spirit in the Old Covenant, BEFORE the Holy Spirit was sent down at Pentecost? So will the Two Witnesses operate during the 70th week. Genesis 6: 3And the LORD said, My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. גוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֗ה לֹֽא־יָד֨וֹן רוּחִ֤י בָֽאָדָם֙ לְעֹלָ֔ם בְּשַׁגָּ֖ם ה֣וּא בָשָׂ֑ר וְהָי֣וּ יָמָ֔יו מֵאָ֥ה וְעֶשְׂרִ֖ים שָׁנָֽה: The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit. Now, as a trinitarian like yourself, there are no references to the FATHER-SON-HOLY SPIRIT being in PERSONS FORM. NOWHERE does the scripture make that claim. But in Genesis, God claims HIS SPIRIT is what strives with man. So yes, the Old Testament people did have the Holy Spirit, it is also what inspired their writings so it was active way back then like it is now. Isaiah 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his Holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. Isaiah 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his Holy Spirit within him? Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Isaiah speaks about the Holy Spirit constantly being active during his day and before his day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: Wrong. Is is about Armageddon which follows the 70th Week. The Lake of Fire follows the Mill. In Christ Montana Marv Let's say you are correct which what you just said is what I said underneath each scripture. But your post proves Revelation is speaking about Armageddon and final Judgement and Lake of Fire. The other poster claims these verses speak about Tribulation which is WRONG!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: From your non Canon text. In Christ Montana Marv Your Canon is from the PAGAN CONSTANTINE, MINE IS FROM YAHWEH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2019 20 hours ago, childoftheking said: 3. Will persecute the plant which the Twelve Apostles of the Beloved have planted. Of the Twelve one will be delivered into his hands. This one verse dates this book of yours into the 2nd or 3rd Century AD at its earliest. First of all the Disciples became Apostles once the Lord had ascended. The Apostles were the leaders of the Church, Bride of Christ. When we look at Eph 3:9 - and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. v. 10 - His intent was that now, through the Church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known..... What mystery v. 6. This mystery is that through the Gospel the gentiles are heirs. v. 3 - the mystery made know to me by revelation. So now how is it with this so called prophetic book of yours; that this mystery of the 12 Apostles which are the leaders of the Church (Jew and Gentile) is somehow shown not to be prophetic. This mystery was made know to Paul in or about 60 AD. So how can this person persecute the plant (Church) which this mystery has been hidden from the past. You are reading from a Non Inspired Text. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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