Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, discipler777 said: LAMENTATIONS.3: (NKJV) = The Prophet’s Anguish and Hope 1 I am the man who has seen affliction by the rod of His wrath. 2 He has led me and made me walk In darkness and not in light. 3 Surely He has turned His hand against me Time and time again throughout the day. ... 16 He has also broken my teeth with gravel, And covered me with ashes. 17 You have moved my soul far from peace; I have forgotten prosperity. 18 And I said, “My strength and my hope Have perished from the Lord.” ... 22 Through the Lord’s mercies we are not consumed, Because His compassions fail not. ... 25 The Lord is good to those who wait for Him, To the soul who seeks Him. 26 It is good that one should hope and wait quietly For the salvation of the Lord. 27 It is good for a man to bear The yoke in his youth. ... 31 For the Lord will not cast off forever. 32 Though He causes grief, Yet He will show compassion According to the multitude of His mercies. 33 For He does not afflict willingly, Nor grieve the children of men. ... 37 Who is he who speaks and it comes to pass, When the Lord has not commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That woe and well-being proceed? 39 Why should a living man complain, A man for the punishment of his sins? Which is also in the OT, prior to the seal of God Eph 1:13-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, Butero said: God himself makes the distinction in Hebrews. In Old Testament times, the distinction was described as presumptuous sins verses sins done in error. In which all sin is covered under the blood, past present and future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said: In which all sin is covered under the blood, past present and future. No it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discipler777 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/25/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: 1 hour ago, discipler777 said: HEBREWS.11: (NKJV) = By Faith We Understand 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. Haven't you heard, the New Covenant is better than the old. I wonder why..... Heb 11:39-40 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. HEBREWS.11 & 12 (NKJV) = 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us. The Race of Faith 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. . The New Covenant is also a covenant of faith with the better promise of salvation through Jesus Christ. . Edited December 4, 2018 by discipler777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, discipler777 said: Seems, you have accused 'Blood Bought 1953' as being an unbeliever since he has stated that he enjoyed sinning very much. No, BB is actually born again and depends on the finished work of the cross to keep Him saved. Enjoying sinning is all in your head, a lie from the devil. The devil is the accuser, not His saints. Neh 6:13 They were hoping to intimidate me and make me sin. Then they would be able to accuse and discredit me. Job 1:6 One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them. Psa 27:12 Do not let me fall into their hands. For they accuse me of things I've never done; with every breath they threaten me with violence. Psa 31:18 Silence their lying lips— those proud and arrogant lips that accuse the godly. Psa 35:11 Malicious witnesses testify against me. They accuse me of crimes I know nothing about. Isa 50:8 He who vindicates me is near. Who then will bring charges against me? Let us face each other! Who is my accuser? Let him confront me! Isa 54:17 But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken! Jer 2:29 Why do you accuse me of doing wrong? You are the ones who have rebelled,” says the LORD. Eze 22:9 People accuse others falsely and send them to their death. You are filled with idol worshipers and people who do obscene things. Zec 3:1 Then the angel showed me Jeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD. The Accuser, Satan, was there at the angel's right hand, making accusations against Jeshua. Jhn 8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me? Act 24:13 These men cannot prove the things they accuse me of doing. Act 26:7 In fact, that is why the twelve tribes of Israel zealously worship God night and day, and they share the same hope I have. Yet, Your Majesty, they accuse me for having this hope! Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. Rom 8:33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 1Pe 2:12 Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world. Jde 1:9 But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.) Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, Butero said: Are you insinuating people that belong to denominational churches aren't saved??? There are many who go to church who aren't born again, they cling to themselves and their rituals to save themselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Which is also in the OT, prior to the seal of God Eph 1:13-14. He is speaking from the point of view of a person who repented and found forgiveness. You are using it out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: There are many who go to church who aren't born again, they cling to themselves and their rituals to save themselves That still doesn't change what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, Butero said: Discipler had it right. The elect are those God chose, and only He knows who they are. To claim to be the elect based on something you did could come across to some as prideful. No, a born again believer knows he is born again through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Why do you not understand... Jhn 14:16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: No, BB is actually born again and depends on the finished work of the cross to keep Him saved. Enjoying sinning is all in your head, a lie from the devil. The devil is the accuser, not His saints. Neh 6:13 They were hoping to intimidate me and make me sin. Then they would be able to accuse and discredit me. Job 1:6 One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them. Psa 27:12 Do not let me fall into their hands. For they accuse me of things I've never done; with every breath they threaten me with violence. Psa 31:18 Silence their lying lips— those proud and arrogant lips that accuse the godly. Psa 35:11 Malicious witnesses testify against me. They accuse me of crimes I know nothing about. Isa 50:8 He who vindicates me is near. Who then will bring charges against me? Let us face each other! Who is my accuser? Let him confront me! Isa 54:17 But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken! Jer 2:29 Why do you accuse me of doing wrong? You are the ones who have rebelled,” says the LORD. Eze 22:9 People accuse others falsely and send them to their death. You are filled with idol worshipers and people who do obscene things. Zec 3:1 Then the angel showed me Jeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD. The Accuser, Satan, was there at the angel's right hand, making accusations against Jeshua. Jhn 8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me? Act 24:13 These men cannot prove the things they accuse me of doing. Act 26:7 In fact, that is why the twelve tribes of Israel zealously worship God night and day, and they share the same hope I have. Yet, Your Majesty, they accuse me for having this hope! Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. Rom 8:33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 1Pe 2:12 Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world. Jde 1:9 But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.) Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. I didn't take his comments that way, but according to your beliefs, those who die just sleep n the ground, contrary to the SOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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