Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, discipler777 said: Yes, ....... only for those elect who remain abiding in Him or in Christ until their very end, ... 1JOHN.3: (NKJV) = Sin and the Child of God 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. and that's what believers do, they abide in Him because they are sealed until redemption and buried with Christ in His death. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Butero said: I love the saints enough to try to turn them away from false doctrine. in reality, God sees disobedience as not believing on Him, but rather believing on self to keep you saved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, Cletus said: I really have a hard time rectifying OSAS with this verse: Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. its true no one no thing no power can pluck us from Gods hands. but that dont speak to us walking away from God. lots of christians and teachers these days want to say the above verse is speaking about the unpardonable sin, blasphemy of The Holy Ghost. but... thats not what the words in the greek are saying, in fact Jesus did say... Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. willfully sinning is denying Jesus, who is THE WAY, the truth, and the life. in fact some of the words used to describe apostasy in greek have definitions and root words that are defined as "going another way" or abandoning the faith. if we have faith that Jesus Christ can save us from our sin and just punishment but we walk another way, we walk away from God... do we truely have faith... or have we abandoned this faith... which is another definition for greek words for apostasy... abandoning the faith. Heb 6:4-6 and Heb 10:26-27 are actually a cross reference for the crucifixion of Christ and is using metaphorical language to describe the maturity of believers in Christ. Not many understand that Heb 6 thought process actually begins at Heb 5:11. Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the (mature), who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. Heb 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to (maturity), not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, This has nothing to do with losing salvation, less one believes God throws believers into hell for lack of maturity, which is on the borderline of insanity. God bless. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Cletus said: there are many who go to church and who are born again who like a dog returns to their vomit and no longer hear from God, no longer have peace, no longer are in Gods presence, and bear no more fruit. they have walked away from God... there are some of those that stand up in church later and you hear them say the re-dedicated their lives to Jesus. Thank God for His tender mercies, which are new every morning. He said Christians don't belong to denominations. That is a lot of believers he wrote off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said: Heb 6:4-6 and Heb 10:26-27 are actually a cross reference for the crucifixion of Christ and is using metaphorical language to describe the maturity of believers in Christ. Not many understand that Heb 6 thought process actually begins at Heb 5:11. Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the (mature), who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. Heb 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to (maturity), not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, This has nothing to do with losing salvation, less one believes God throws believers into hell for lack of maturity, which is on the borderline of insanity. God bless. It is not a cross reference at all, and is about salvation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, Butero said: No it is not. and that's why your working for it. that's your choice. everyone has a choice to accept His free gift. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Believers actually don't belong to denominations,, they belong to Christ A railing accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, discipler777 said: HEBREWS.11 & 12 (NKJV) = 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us. The Race of Faith 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. . The New Covenant is also a covenant of faith with the better promise of salvation through Jesus Christ. . 1 Pet 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: and that's why your working for it. that's your choice. everyone has a choice to accept His free gift. All past sins and sins done without premeditation are automatically covered. Jesus must forgive all sins, so no I am not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Butero said: He is speaking from the point of view of a person who repented and found forgiveness. You are using it out of context. Yes, and in the NT repentance draws you closer to God, it doesn't keep you saved. Read Paul's letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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