Intelligent Design, Science & Religion

[The Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

Where are the journals and links to examples of evidence itself?  This just seems like a list that you are repeating from what you have been told is "fact".  But have YOU looked into the work itself or are you taking another's word for it?

On 11/24/2020 at 5:45 PM, The Barbarian said:

The earliest fossils of humans would be found in Africa- Darwin confirmed.

"In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely related to the extinct species of the same region. It is, therefore, probable that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct apes closely allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee; and as these two species are now man's nearest allies, it is somewhat more probable that our early progenitors lived on the African continent than elsewhere. "

Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

 

[The Barbarian]

There MUST have been? Hmm ok then.

Huxley predicted that they must have existed, based on anatomical studies of birds and crocodiles.   Turns out he was right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur

[The Barbarian]

On 11/24/2020 at 5:45 PM, The Barbarian said:

A well-adapted population in a constant environment will be kept from evolving very much by natural selection.  - Darwin confirmed

"Very much by natural selection"? Okay, glad you're sure. But based on what?

Direct observation.   Populations in constant environments do not vary much.  

On the other hand, populations moved to new environments tend to evolve rapidly.   The example of Italian lizards that evolved a new digestive organ in a few decades, is a case in point.

 

[The Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

On 11/24/2020 at 5:45 PM, The Barbarian said:

There were once fish with walking legs.    Wallace - confirmed.

Nonsense. Show me the proof of this claim, not theory.

Sure.   There are quite a number of them known now.  

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.geol.umd.edu%2F~jmerck%2Fgeol431%2Fimages%2Facanthostega.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Acanthostega.   Internal nares, internal gills, lateral line system, fish tail.   But it has functional legs.   There are others.   Want to see them?

[The Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

On 11/24/2020 at 5:45 PM, The Barbarian said:

Overuse of penicillin would cause bacteria to evolve resistance.   Sir Alexander Flemming- Confirmed

Or rather - adapt.

"Adaptation" in biology, means evolution that increases fitness.  The difference between "adaptation" in an individual and "adaptation" in a population,is that the former is merely built-in ability to adjust inherent in an individual, while the latter is genetic change in the population.   Which as you might know, is the definition of biological evolution.   In the case of the bacteria, it's genetic evolution, not mere adjustment by individuals.   Would you like to learn how we know?

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

On 11/24/2020 at 5:45 PM, The Barbarian said:

Mutation and natural selection will cause bacteria to evolve a new enzyme system.   Hall confirmed

Or.. adapt.

Same as above.  But Hall actually knew his culture was a from a single bacterium that lacked the genes for the system.    Serial dilution makes it possible to start a culture with a single bacterium of known genetic traits.    And during the evolution of the enzyme system, Hall identified the mutations that produced the new genes.

It's been further studied and confirmed.  From a Christian website:

"Interestingly, the bacteria that finally conquered the 1000x dose of antibiotic were able to do so not because of a single large change in its genome, but because of many small changes that developed their resistance. By introducing the bacteria to a gradually changing environment—from low concentration to higher and higher concentrations—the bacteria were able to take advantage of multiple mutations to make small adaptations along the gradient. The Harvard scientists tested the ability of the bacteria to make the jump directly to high concentrations of antibiotic, and that experiment failed to generate resistant bacteria."

https://biologos.org/articles/evolution-in-a-giant-petri-dish

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

On 11/24/2020 at 5:45 PM, The Barbarian said:

There must have been at one time, transitional forms between frogs and salamanders. -confirmed.

Hehe, this one was funny. There MUST have been right? Keep looking.

Here you go.    The frogamander:

"Gerobatrachus is an extinct genus of amphibamid temnospondyl (represented by the type species Gerobatrachus hottoni) that lived in the Early Permian, approximately 290 million years ago (Ma), in the area that is now Baylor County, Texas. When it was first described in 2008, Gerobatrachus was announced to be the closest relative of Batrachia, the group that includes modern frogs and salamanders. It possesses a mixture of characteristics from both groups, including a large frog-like head and a salamander-like tail."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerobatrachus

Now, it might seem as though all these predicted transitional forms are the best evidence for evolution.   YE creationist Dr. Kurt Wise calls them "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."   But even more convincing is that we don't see transitional forms where they aren't predicted to be.  

 

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

On 11/24/2020 at 5:52 PM, The Barbarian said:

Italian wall lizards, moved to a new environment, evolved a new digestive organ in a few decades.

Interesting.  Please send me the link to the evidence or study of this. And I'm sure evolution won't be the only answer. Besides evolution in a few decades? Doesn’t that break your "millions of years" requirement? 

"Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home

Date:

April 18, 2008

Source:

University Of Massachusetts, Amherst

Summary:

In 1971, biologists moved five adult pairs of Italian wall lizards from their home island of Pod Kopiste, in the South Adriatic Sea, to the neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru. Now researchers have shown that introducing these small, green-backed lizards, Podarcis sicula, to a new environment caused them to undergo rapid and large-scale evolutionary changes.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm

...

Examination of the lizard’s digestive tracts revealed something even more surprising. Eating more plants caused the development of new structures called cecal valves, designed to slow the passage of food by creating fermentation chambers in the gut, where microbes can break down the difficult to digest portion of plants. Cecal valves, which were found in hatchlings, juveniles and adults on Pod Mrcaru, have never been reported for this species, including the source population on Pod Kopiste."

[The Barbarian]

And rapid evolution does not have to take million of years, if the selective pressures are strong enough.  There are more examples, although this is one of the more rapid cases of new body structures evolving.

 

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said:

On 11/24/2020 at 5:52 PM, The Barbarian said:

Human populations evolve an optimal frequency of HbS alleles in malaria areas

Or...adapt. Or is a callus a skin evolution to you?

You've confused genetic changes in a population with calluses, which are not genetic changes.    The change in frequency of a genetic allele in this case, precisely matches the predictions of evolutionary theory.