JustPassingThru Posted December 16, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,979 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 2,112 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2019 My pastor explained a parable was, ...Jesus used an illustration that the listeners were very familiar with, sowing seed, building a house, where the house is built, losing an object, ...the people listening to this teaching, just like us today, did not know what happens to someone after death, ...until Jesus taught about it in the actual lives of these two men..., so yes, because the poor man's name is mentioned, Lazarus, ...then it means his name is written in the Lamb's book of life, whereas the rich man's is not, ...it's an actual story. Personally, I believe the largest and the longest on going prayer meeting ever, ...is in Hell, ...the rich man's concern for his brothers shows us that he never thought he would end up there, ...especially those that died in the Cults, ...who thought "they" had the Truth and are now face to face with the men and women who were the founders of their "particular" cult! I'm not saying God will grant their prayers, ...but He certainly can hear them. Psa 139:8 Think about it, ...what else can they do now that they are there? Lord bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 16, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,429 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,580 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hell contains only the wrath of God and rightfully so as those there rejected His Son... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InChristAlways Posted December 16, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/15/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) On 10/2/2019 at 5:43 PM, wingnut- said: He never tells us it is a parable though. Hello wingnut. I tried to find the equivalent Hebrew word for parable in the OT and came up with H4812, which is used mostly in Ezekiel of the Prophets concerning the people of Israel and Judah. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4912&t=NKJV 4912 mashal apparently from 4910 in some original sense of superiority in mental action; properly, a pithy maxim, usually of metaphorical nature; hence, a simile (as an adage, poem, discourse):--byword, like, parable, proverb. I can look at this as Jesus actually talking: Eze 12:22 “Son of man/adam, what is this proverb<4912> that you people have about the land of Israel, which says, ‘The days are prolonged, and every vision fails’? Eze 20:49 Then I said, “Ah, Yahweh Elohim ! They say of me, ‘Does he not speak parables<4912>?’ ” ========================= https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3850&t=NKJV 3850. parabole from 3846; a similitude ("parable"), i.e. (symbolic) fictitious narrative (of common life conveying a moral), apothegm or adage:--comparison, figure, parable, proverb. G3850 παραβολή (parabolē) occurs 50 times in 48 verses MATTHEW 13: 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables<3850>, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 for the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.' " =============================== I find the view of this commentator quite interesting, as he implies the previous parables, along withe this one, are as 1 complet parable. Also it should be noted the audience Jesus was speaking to, the common Jews along with the corrupt Jewish Rulers listening, primarily the Pharisees. This parable is only in Luke and Lazarus is only used in Luke 16 and 2 chapters of John. http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/abraham/abrahams_bosom.htm The story of the rich man and Lazarus is without doubt one of the most misunderstood of all the stories in the Bible. Is it a parable, or an actual statement of facts concerning life beyond the grave? It is strenuously denied by most evangelists that this story, as told by Christ, could be a parable. They hold that this is not a parable because it starts out in narrative form. It is argued, because it reads, “There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day,” that Christ is speaking here of an actual incident that took place. But in the parable of the prodigal son, in the fifteenth chapter of Luke, the narrative introduction is found also, for it says, “A certain man had two sons...” Yet it is generally conceded that the story of the prodigal son is a parable and all the fundamentalist preachers love to preach from its beautiful figures, thus applying it as a parable. Quote Usually, when the story of the rich man and Lazarus is considered, its setting is ignored. At the time the story was told Jesus had just eaten dinner with a Pharisee, at which time He not only healed a man with dropsy, but gave some pointed advice about how to give a dinner party. When He left the house, great throngs followed Him. Many of this great company were publicans and sinners who drew near to hear His teaching, and mingled with them were a great number of the scribes and Pharisees. The scribes and Pharisees complained openly and bitterly against Jesus, condemning Him because He received sinners into His company and ate with them. Against this background of biting criticism Jesus stood and gave the teachings found in chapters fifteen and sixteen of Luke. There are five stories which follow consecutively. It is well known, of course, that chapters and verses were not in the original scriptures. We are at liberty to change them when they do not synchronize with other scripture. Any arrangement of chapter and verse division that clarifies or harmonizes other scripture, is more authoritative than that division that beclouds other statements of the Bible. At the beginning of Jesus’ discourse in chapter fifteen of Luke the statement is made that “He spoke this parable unto them, saying,” (Lk. 15:3). The Greek is very definite in making the word for parable clearly a singular noun. It is “the parable this..” This statement is followed by five separate stories, the first of which is the story of the lost sheep, and the last is the story of the rich man and Lazarus. You see, the teaching in chapter sixteen is but the continuation of the discourse in chapter fifteen, without interruption. Now, which of the five stories He gave them in this sermon was called a parable? The only one of the five which is prefaced by the claim, “And He spoke this parable unto them,” was the story about the lost sheep. Was the lost sheep the only one that could be called a parable? And yet, any preacher or believer that I know will answer that the story of the lost coin, as well as the prodigal son, were also parables. Then why was the singular used - “this parable”? It should be clear to any thinking mind that all these stories were ONE PARABLE, like the facets of a diamond, as they turn each scintillates with new brilliance. Each was illustrating a view point of one great truth, and together they compose a whole. And this parabolic discourse of Jesus is continued into chapter sixteen of Luke, including the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The truth is that all five stories are each a fractional part of the complete parable, and when we read, “He spoke this parable unto them,” this embraces the entire collection of symbol-pictures which in their completeness constituted the parable which He spoke. It is a careless assumption and an unfounded assertion to argue that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is not a parable
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