SavedOnebyGrace Posted February 20, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.86 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Simply put, some scientists believe our universe is part of a larger universe. "Multiple universes have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, religion, philosophy, transpersonal psychology, music and all kinds of literature, particularly in science fiction, comic books and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternate universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel universes", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "parallel realities", "quantum realities", "alternate realities", "alternate timelines", "alternate dimensions" and "dimensional planes". [Wikipedia] So, we might exist at different levels of Christian faith in multiple universes. In one parallel universe we might be a sinner and the one I'm writing this in I am a believing Christian. It would depend on our choices and how we respond, namely, by free will. So why would we choose differently? So is there one (or more) versions of us going to heaven and one (or more) versions of ourselves going to hell? This is why the concept of the multiverse is incompatible with Christianity as understood by the teachings in the Bible, in my opinion. The physics community has debated the various multiverse theories over time. Prominent physicists are divided about whether any other universes exist outside of our own. Some physicists say the multiverse is not a legitimate topic of scientific inquiry.[3] Concerns have been raised about whether attempts to exempt the multiverse from experimental verification could erode public confidence in science and ultimately damage the study of fundamental physics.[4] Some have argued that the multiverse is a philosophical notion rather than a scientific hypothesis because it cannot be empirically falsified. The ability to disprove a theory by means of scientific experiment has always been part of the accepted scientific method.[5] Paul Steinhardt has famously argued that no experiment can rule out a theory if the theory provides for all possible outcomes.[6] In 2007, Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg suggested that if the multiverse existed, "the hope of finding a rational explanation for the precise values of quark masses and other constants of the standard model that we observe in our Big Bang is doomed, for their values would be an accident of the particular part of the multiverse in which we live." [Wikipedia] This is an unproven scientific postulate, not even rising to the level of a theory. Edited February 21, 2020 by Saved.One.by.Grace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkins Posted February 21, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/25/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2020 Multiverse is the god of science. Multiverse as a theory is not falsifiable mostly because we can't go out of our own universe to confirm the existence of other universes. Scientists however need the theory of multiverse to explain why our universe exists in terms of physics to facilitate the existence of life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Hawkins said: Multiverse is the god of science. Multiverse as a theory is not falsifiable mostly because we can't go out of our own universe to confirm the existence of other universes. Scientists however need the theory of multiverse to explain why our universe exists in terms of physics to facilitate the existence of life. Exactly. The concept of multiple universes is an unproven and untestable theory. The one test that I'm aware of was not able to be repeated. This is important for the proving of a scientific theory. I do however believe in multiple dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 24, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) Question: "What is the multiverse theory?" Answer: In summary, the multiverse theory was invented to explain away the clear evidence of design in the universe along with the fact that the universe is finely-tuned to support life (the anthropic principle). The multiverse theory essentially states that there are multitudes of universes, each formed entirely randomly, with our universe being the only one (or one of a few) that randomly developed in such a way that it supports life. According to the multiverse theory, the appearance of “intelligent design” in our universe is the result of the pieces coming together just right, with no guidance/oversight from any Being. Rather, our universe being fine-tuned for life is simply a matter of chance – with millions or billions of universes, it was bound to happen. The multiverse theory is based on the supposition that what we have to this point considered to be “the universe” is but a small component of a vast, possibly infinite, assemblage of universes. The multiverse principle is an attempt to evade evidence for the apparent fine-tuning of cosmic laws, values and constants such that the universe would be conducive to bio-habitability. The core thesis of the multiverse concept attempts to expand one’s probabilistic resources beyond that which is available in the observable universe such that the likelihood of attaining a single bio-habitable universe by chance is rendered more plausible. There are several fundamental problems with this proposition, the key problem being that it is both unnecessary and ad hoc. There is no good scientific reason to think that we reside in one universe within a multitude of parallel universes. There is also no reason to think that there should be a mechanism for generating such universes, each with its own fundamental constants and values. The proposition thus only succeeds in throwing the paradox back one step, as one could then easily ask who built the generator to give rise to this cosmic lottery. A second difficulty with this hypothesis is that a universe which is in a state of continuous expansion cannot be eternal. It stands to reason, therefore, that it is possible only a finite number of universes could have been generated, and there is no guarantee that a finely tuned bio-habitable universe would have emerged. In conclusion, in the absence of independent philosophical and/or scientific evidence for the existence of a universe-ensemble, the concept remains nothing more than radical metaphysical conjecture. The exquisite fine-tuning of the contingent laws and constants of the universe for the emergence of complex life remains best explained by an intelligent Being outside of space and time. The popular worldview has, for decades, been that the universe did not have us in mind – that we exist as an infinite cosmic speck within a vast cosmic arena. In recent years, however, new insights have turned this paradigm on its head. Now we see evidence that life was planned, that it was intended (Psalm 19). https://www.gotquestions.org/multiverse-theory.html Edited February 24, 2020 by missmuffet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted March 11, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,367 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,340 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2020 The concept of a reality broader than our natural universe is consistent with scripture. God dwells in eternity - and created our space-time universe out of that reality. God may have created other universes - but scripture is silent on that matter. Technically, any existence beyond this natural universe (including other universes) qualifies for the definition of supernatural. Therefore, ironically, anyone expressing confidence in universes outside of our own universe is simply promoting faith in the supernatural (just like any other belief system that advocates faith in a supernatural element). And that is how it is generally used - as a kind of god-of-the gaps argument. Ask a secularist why our universe appears to be so finely tuned for the existence of life and they'll usually default to the infinite number of universes explanation - where we just got lucky; with life somehow falling together in the right kind of universe where life could exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 11, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2020 If a bunch of 'spare brains' get together and say pigs can fly.. does that make it so?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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